Google Pixel 2 reviewed: Sets new record for overall smartphone camera quality

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The Google Pixel 2 is the top-performing mobile device camera we’ve tested, with a record-setting overall score of 98. Impressively, it manages this despite having “only” a single-camera design for its main camera. Its top scores in most of our traditional photo and video categories put it ahead of our previous (tied) leaders, the Apple iPhone 8 Plus and the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, despite the Pixel 2 coming in lower in the new Zoom and Bokeh categories. The Pixel 2 is also a major step forward from the Pixel (which was our top scorer when it was released a year ago), moving from 90 to 98.

Key camera specifications:

  • 1/2.6-inch 12MP sensor
  • f/1.8 aperture
  • Dual-Pixel Autofocus
  • Optical Image Stabilization
  • HDR+ technology
  • New Portrait Mode software solution

About DxOMark Mobile tests: For scoring and analysis in our smartphone camera reviews, DxOMark engineers capture and evaluate over 1500 test images and more than 2 hours of video in both controlled lab environments and in natural indoor and outdoor scenes. This article is designed to highlight the most important results of the testing. For more information about the DxOMark Mobile test protocol, click here.

Test summary

The Google Pixel 2 not only takes the DxOMark Mobile scoring crown with a stunning Overall score of 98, but its video performance improves by 5 points over the original Pixel, putting it at 96 and at the top of our video ranking. The Pixel 2’s photo performance is really impressive at 99, and just one point short of the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, which scored an amazing 100 in our photo category.

Bright light

In bright light the Google Pixel 2 offers good detail, excellent color rendering, and very impressive dynamic range, making it a great camera for capturing high-contrast scenes. Details are preserved in both highlights and shadow areas, with well-controlled noise levels.

You can see the detail in both the brightly-lit area under the Eiffel Tower and in the darker areas under the bridge. (Click on the image for a full-resolution version.)

Autofocus performance is excellent as well. Overall, the Pixel 2’s capabilities in bright light make it ideal for a wide variety of outdoor photographers — from image lovers who are looking for the perfect landscape or cityscape, to those who want to capture sporting events or family outings.

The Pixel 2 does an amazing job of rendering detail in both the bright and dark areas of difficult scenes, even compared to one of our other top Photo performers, the HTC U11 (click on an image to view a full-resolution version):

Google Pixel 2

HTC U11

Low light and flash

In lower light conditions, the Google Pixel 2 camera does a very good job preserving fine detail, although at the cost of some luminance noise. In addition, there is some loss of detail in brightly-backlit indoor scenes. In terms of dynamic range and autofocus performance, the Pixel is very good in low light as well, and apart from some color non-uniformity in indoor conditions and lower light, color rendition is very nice, too.

Pixel 2 indoor and low light shots show good detail and wide dynamic range.

For those who like taking pictures in very low light and in social situations, it’s good to know that the Pixel 2 is also one of the best all-round performers when using flash. Often phone cameras excel either when the flash is the only source of light or when there is help from ambient light, but the Pixel 2 does an excellent job in both cases. This makes the Pixel 2 an excellent choice for recording family or group portraits indoors and in dim light.

Zoom and Bokeh

Because the Pixel 2 has only a single main camera, software is what generates Zoom, Depth Effect, Portrait Mode, and Bokeh from one or more frames captured with that camera. The software on the Pixel 2 does a good job on all of these, although with some flaws.

Our Zoom tests cover ranges from 2x all the way to 8x. At medium to long range, the Pixel 2 definitely loses detail compared to a true telephoto lens. However, the loss is less than with most other single-camera designs. Here you can see that at 4x, the Pixel 2 does well suppressing noise, but loses quite a bit of detail. Images at zoom ratios greater than 4x weren’t really usable.

Google Pixel 2, 4x zoom.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus, 4x zoom.

Our Bokeh sub-score measures several different aspects of image quality, including how well the camera can portray limited depth of field (sometimes called “Depth Effect”), its ability to do that specifically for portraits (sometimes called “Portrait Mode”), and Bokeh itself — the shape and aesthetic quality of the out-of-focus areas. In the indoor portrait image comparison below, you can see that the Pixel 2 improves significantly over the Pixel, but that the background blur and bokeh are not as natural as that provided by the iPhone 8 Plus’s dual-camera system.

Google Pixel 2

Apple iPhone 8 Plus

Google Pixel

Video

With a score of 96, the Pixel 2 is the current leader in our video ranking and delivers an impressive video performance, with only a few small flaws. Exposure is good in almost all lighting conditions, with quick transitions between lighting levels. Autofocus is very fast, smooth, and stable — including subject tracking. The Pixel 2 also does an excellent job at balancing detail preservation and noise reduction — among the best we’ve seen.

The original Google Pixel had excellent video stabilization, but this has been improved even further with the new model. In particular, the Pixel 2 video mode delivers a high level of stabilization, with fewer artifacts in both indoor conditions and bright light.

Photo scores explained

The Google Pixel 2 achieves a total Photo score of 99, which is a composite of a number of category sub-scores. The Pixel 2 set new high watermarks in several of them, although it was just edged out in the overall Photo category by the Samsung Note 8. In this section we’ll take a closer look at these image quality sub-scores.

Exposure and Contrast (95)

The Pixel 2 features very consistent exposures in bright light, and is very impressive when compared with other smartphones indoors and in low light as well. One difference with most other phones is that the Pixel 2 renders bright light scenes a little brighter than is technically accurate, but that may be a better match for the way the photographer remembers the scene.

 

You can see from the chart and by looking at the reference patches that in bright light, the Pixel 2 provides an exposure that makes mid-tone objects appear slightly brighter than they should be.

One weak spot for the Pixel 2 is exposure in very low light. In our extreme 1 Lux (essentially candlelight) tests (shown as H — for Horizon lighting — in this chart), the Pixel 2 drastically underexposed.

In low light, the Pixel 2 images show increased noise in high dynamic range scenes, but have excellent exposure and highlight preservation. For example, in this comparison, only the Pixel 2 is able to preserve the shape of the light fixture:

Google Pixel 2

Apple iPhone 8 Plus

Google Pixel

Color (86)

In most conditions, both indoors and outdoors, the Pixel 2 features very good color rendering. In this comparison, for example, you can see by looking closely at the carousel that while all three devices do an excellent job of color rendering, the Pixel 2 also does a better job of retaining detail at the same time (click to view full-resolution images):

Google Pixel 2

Apple iPhone 8 Plus

Google Pixel

White balance is generally very good as well, though there can be a slight, but not unpleasant, warm cast to outdoor images. Indoors, white balance is very accurate.

Autofocus (98)

The Pixel 2 not only has the best autofocus we’ve ever seen, it is substantially better than any other smartphone camera we’ve tested. It focuses quickly, accurately, and consistently in all lighting conditions. In one of our defocus/refocus tests, the Pixel 2 managed to refocus in an impressive 16ms. Even indoors, at a light level of 300 Lux, the Google Pixel 2 showed remarkably fast and consistent autofocus results, as you can see in the graph below.

Detail / Texture (73)

While the Pixel 2 does an excellent job of preserving detail in images, it doesn’t set any new records here. In our low-light laboratory scene, however, the Pixel 2 does an excellent job of preserving details, edging out the iPhone 8 Plus and the Note 8, as you can see in this comparison of the full image and a full-resolution crop of the currency in the scene below (captured at 5 Lux).

Google Pixel 2, 5 Lux.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus, 5 Lux.

Google Pixel 2, 100% crop.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus, 100% crop.

Samsung Galaxy Note 8, 100% crop.

Noise (59)

Compared to its other very strong category scores, the presence of noise is one of the Pixel 2’s weaker areas. For example, you can see fairly strong luminance noise in the blue sky in the scene below if you click through to the full-size image and look closely:

Blue skies are surprisingly hard to render without noise. If you look closely here, you can see that the Pixel 2 image has visible noise.

In low light, the Pixel 2 does a very good job of noise suppression, but the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 takes it even further, as you can see from this crop of the same indoor test scene we used above for comparing detail preservation:

Google Pixel 2, 5 Lux, 100% crop.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus, 5 Lux, 100% crop.

Samsung Galaxy Note 8, 5 Lux, 100% crop.

Artifacts (64)

While the Pixel 2’s outdoor performance is generally very impressive, it is susceptible to several different artifacts, one of which is demosaicing artifacts in heavily-textured areas. You can see it if you look closely at the water in the photo of the Eiffel Tower and bridge at the beginning of this review.

In addition, backlit scenes can cause strong flares and some halos, as you can see in these two sample images:

The light behind the carousel creates some highly-visible flares.

You can see some unnatural halos in this backlit river scene.

Flash (88)

The Pixel 2 is impressive for taking excellent flash images both when the flash is the only source of light, and when it is assisted by ambient light. In both cases, White Balance, Color, and Exposure are very good. There is a slight amount of luminance fall-off, but less than for most other mobile devices, as you can see from these images comparing the Pixel 2 with the original Pixel:

Google Pixel 2

Google Pixel

There can be some exposure instability from shot to shot when using flash, both alone and when coupled with ambient light.

Zoom (32)

The Pixel 2 performed very well for a single-camera phone, but couldn’t quite match the currently best devices in this category, the Apple iPhone 8 Plus and Samsung Galaxy Note 8. The Pixel 2 also sometimes displays aliasing and moiré artifacts in medium- and long-range zooms.

Bokeh, including Depth Effect and Portrait Mode (45)

Despite not having a second camera, the Pixel 2 does a good job using software to synthesize blur in both the foreground and the background of images. The feature is susceptible to irregularities from frame to frame, however, with occasional artifacts along the edges of subjects. Indoor scenes can also display gradient artifacts. Here you can see the improvements over the original Google Pixel, but even the Pixel 2 version shows some depth-estimation artifacts behind the model, as well as in such high-frequency areas as the top left corner (click on individual images to get a full-size version for easier comparison):

Google Pixel 2

Apple iPhone 8 Plus

Google Pixel

Video scores explained

The Pixel 2’s video Exposure sub-score of 84 is very good, but marred slightly by dramatic underexposure in very low light, as illustrated in the exposure chart below.

Its Color sub-score of 83 in video mode is also very good, although behind Apple’s iPhone 8 Plus. The Pixel 2’s Autofocus sub-score (95) is very impressive as well.

You can see the improvement in the Pixel 2’s Detail preservation (Texture score of 57) by looking at the full-resolution crops from this test video frame shot under low light (100 and 5 Lux):

Google Pixel 2, 100 Lux.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus, 100 Lux.

Google Pixel 2, 5 Lux.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus, 5 Lux.

The Pixel 2 is able to provide a lot of detail while still doing an excellent job of suppressing noise (Noise sub-score of 80). While the Pixel 2 scores are highest in bright light, of course, it achieves almost the same performance indoors, and does very well in low light compared to other devices we have tested. Overall, the Google Pixel 2 also has excellent temporal noise suppression, as shown by its high scores in all lighting conditions.

The Pixel 2’s video Artifact sub-score (86) is quite good, but was somewhat reduced because of excessive judder and a small amount of aliasing. Scoring a 93, its video Stabilization is one of the best we have tested, topping the iPhone 8 Plus’s score of 91 in this category.

Conclusion: Smartphone camera on a new level

We’re in danger of running out of superlatives when describing the major image quality attributes of the Google Pixel 2. That makes sense for a device that tops our scoring charts —up from the 94 of the Apple iPhone 8 Plus and Samsung Galaxy Note 8 to a record-setting 98. So for just about any Photo or Video use case, it recommends itself as the phone camera with the best image quality. A notable exception to that assessment centers around the added performance in Zoom and Bokeh (including Depth and Portrait) that dual-camera smartphones such as the Apple iPhone 8 Plus and Galaxy Note 8 can provide. This said, the Pixel 2 is especially well-suited to videographers, as it achieves the highest Video score for any device we’ve tested — a 96.

Worried what happens when we get to 100? Don’t be: Our new DxOMark Mobile test protocols and scoring system have plenty of headroom for new devices as they are introduced. There is nothing magical about the score of 100, and no reason that other cameras can’t go past it. We’re sure the time will come when they do!

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Pros

  • Wide dynamic range in all lighting conditions
  • Excellent autofocus
  • Very good white balance both outdoors and indoors
  • Good detail preservation
  • Strong flash performance across the board
  • Portraits rendered with pleasing foreground and background blur and bokeh

Pros

  • Very good video stabilization
  • Fast and accurate autofocus with good subject tracking
  • Good detail preservation indoors and outdoors
  • Good noise reduction
  • Fairly good white balance

Cons

  • Flare, flickering, and grid patterns can occur in some lighting conditions
  • Medium- and long-range zooms have some loss of detail
  • Portrait mode sometimes causes visible artifacts
  • Slight loss of detail in low-light and indoor hand-held photos

Cons

  • White balance and exposure can be unstable when walking or panning
  • Rotational frame drift in some hand-held videos
  • Limited dynamic range
  • Visible color cast in low light with tungsten illuminant (incandescent lighting)

A note about the image formats of the iPhone 8 Plus comparison images in this review: In some cases, we captured iPhone 8 Plus images using Apple’s HEIF format and DCI-P3 colorspace. In such cases, we converted them to very high-quality JPEGs to use in this article so that they can be viewed in standard browsers and image editing software (in which case the Creator tag may say Photoshop). HEIF is very similar to JPEG, but provides better compression for similar image quality, so the conversion makes the sample image file sizes larger than they were when shot.

  • Ben Harison

    when they rate iphone 8 plus highest phone all android fanboys went butthurt
    *how can they rate it highest on 1st day launch blah blah*
    now when they rate an android with highest score on 1st day? where are you android fanboys?

    • Matthew Langley

      You *completely* missed the point… totally, completely, absolutely. In a way that I can’t even fathom. People were upset that the iPhone 8/+ was reviewed on launch day when the Note 8 wasn’t reviewed until 2 weeks or so later. The iPhone got rated top tested camera when if the Note 8 was reviewed when it was released it would have only tied for that so a completely different headline.

      Additionally when they retested phones on Sept 11th they retested the iPhone 7, the most recent iPhone at the time though they only retested the Samsung S6 Edge skipping the S8 and S7. So while the iPhone 8 was reviewed on launch day no Samsung phone released in more than the last 2 years had been reviewed in their new protocol.

      So *no* it wasn’t about things being reviewed on launch day, it was about certain things. For example if this Google Pixel 2 was reviewed before the iPhone despite the iPhone launching earlier it would be an issue.

      It is disappointing that Samsung basically seems to get the shaft while Google and Apple both get faster reviews and get far more positive wordings in their reviews.

      • micahthomas

        Maybe Samsung should send over the phones earlier? I doubt that DXOmark would refuse to test a popular phone, would be bad for their business if they are trying to be the one-stop for camera reviews.

        • Matthew Langley

          You are just making the inverse assumption, equally unfounded.

          If that is indeed true than yes, then again if Samsung is sending over their phones then dxomark is the problem.

          Additionally that still leaves the re-test as an issue, why no Samsung phone int he last 2 years had been re-tested despite the latest iPhone being re-tested.

          • micahthomas

            You’re right on the re-test and the fact that I’m making assumptions, I’m just proposing a hypothesis, not trying to win an argument or prove anything.

            And I think it is unfair that Samsung wasn’t treated right

          • Matthew Langley

            Agreed, a perfectly valid possibility. If true then Samsung is to blame for the Note 8 delay in review.

            Just a lot of questions about dxomark right now. Fortunately the overall quality of the reviews themselves are still high, though their new format shows less crops than their old format and they really need to share video samples and a deeper analysis.

  • adecvat

    Why it has better video score if it lacks of 4k60fps and slow 240fps?

    • Derek712

      Low light noise for video is way better on the Pixel. That really hurt the iPhone’s camera score

    • adsubzero

      Are you really that dense? How about quality? Low light performance? Stabilization?

      • adecvat

        “Stabilisation”
        No questions about it. iPhone always has the best.

        • Naxx ENVY

          LOL NOPE

          • adecvat

            LOL YES

        • adsubzero

          You must be from the future, because that’s a bold claim that “iPhone always has the best” especially since Pixel had killer stabilization even without OIS, but now with OIS it will most likely have the best stabilization around.

          • adecvat

            What can you say about Pixel 4k60fps video stabilization? Is it much better than iPhone has?

          • adsubzero

            What do you say about the iPhone’s HDR+ mode, is it much better than the Pixel’s? We can go like this all day, but being an ignorant fanboy won’t get you anywhere.

          • The Truth

            That’s just plain inaccurate. HDR+ is just a gimmick name for AI computing of Pixel camera to compensate lacks in hardware department. And photos are not HDR+ photos of any special kind. It’s a simple HDR photo.

            On the other hand, 4K videos with 60 fps are real 4K@60FPS are real smoother, higher rate videos.

          • adsubzero

            HDR+ a gimmick? Most people who used it would hardly agree with you. It does an incredible job pulling detail and reducing noise that no other manufacturer can do, especially in low light. It’s not a secret, it’s out on the internet, do your research.

          • The Truth

            You didn’t read the whole sentence (or at least, the whole phrase), didn’t you?

          • adsubzero

            Yes I did read. If it’s “just” a regular HDR mode, then why is every other manufacturer’s HDR mode inferior?
            My point is that Google’s HDR+ makes photos look incredibly better, and it’s not just my opinion, it’s a well known fact. Starting from the Nexus 6, through Nexus 6P to the Pixel, the improvement in quality when using it is evident.

          • The Truth

            I know HDR+ is helpful. I was just writing about HDR+ name, as a gimmick name for better algorithms. And after all, photo and its pixels has to be saved in “known” color space. So it end up as a normal HDR photo anyway, for anyone to view 😉

            PS I didn’t catch that they turned off HDR+ here, could you paste the corresponding fragment?

          • The Truth

            You have some inefficiencies? I didn’t say HDR+ is a gimmick. Just read the god damn sentence. “HDR+ is just a gimmick name for AI computing of Pixel camera”, HDR+ it’s a MARKETING NAME.

            I didn’t dispute the process of it, and I even praised it by stating that it is there to compensate for lacks in hardware (because it’s that good, that with worse hardware it produced great images).

            But overall, it was a response to your comparison: 4K@60FPS vs. HDR+. That we cannot check HDR+ on iPhone. Because there is nothing to check. The outcome is just a standard HDR photo. 4K@60FPS on the other hand, is a real 4K video shot at 60 fps.

          • adsubzero

            This argument started for a different reason. I know that HDR+ is a fancy name for HDR, but that’s not the point. If you’re going to miss the point once again, then don’t bother replying. This test was done without HDR+. With it on, it would have crushed the other phones even more. The 4k60fps argument was an ironic point by that guy who’s a fanboy, and I just answered in an ironic fashion.

        • Xda pro
          • adecvat

            Xperia lacks OIS.

          • Xda pro

            Stabilitation iphone is garbage only is goood when apple pay dxomark

          • amir rashid

            Yes I agree with my own experience…

  • Matthew Langley

    Holy crap, takes the crown again. Well done Google. Though still props to the Note 8 for top photo score.

  • Xda pro

    LOL Google is the one who pays the most.

    Yes new record but in $$$$$$$$$$

    Lg scratches the pockets for lg v 30.

  • TheBoat

    How much Google pay for this score. DxOMark scores are a joke

    • Jin Xi

      Apple fanboy got shutdown

      • Henrique Alves

        It has started!

      • umaru-chan

        These are Samsung fanboys.

    • JeffColorado

      LOL…cry moar!

    • GCHQ

      $32,000

  • upudisqus

    Poor Samsung and Apple. lol

    • Xda pro

      Yes, they do not pay enough

      • thee Stan

        Yeah, I just remembered how poor those companies are. /s

      • GCHQ

        True

  • PublicStaticVoidMain

    incoming apple fanboys saying DxO is a joke or got paid by Google.

    • adecvat

      You mean sammyboyz

    • PublicStaticVoidMain

      also, a lot of photo experts who can judge way better than DxO.

  • Jin Xi

    Poor apple fanboys

    • GCHQ

      Delete it bitch

      • ericshmerick

        Poor angry apple fanyboys

        reeeee!

    • macmanred

      Why?
      Most of the iPhone Images look better in this test.
      Just lookt at the model, that Looks like a Zombie in most of the Pixel Images.
      The same model Looks more natural in the iPhone shots. Exposure is better, color/skintones are better.
      The Portrait mode is joke on the Pixel. It has no optical tele.
      So when it comes to real world shots, the iPhone wins.
      That’s why I really don’t care about such tests, because they only reflect some fixed criteria.
      And on top of that, no one knows how DxO weights the results to get it’s final score.

  • Daniells Craig

    Too bad Note 8 did not enjoy that top spot for long 😥😥😥

  • Bryan27

    While I don’t doubt the quality of the Pixel 2 cameras, it just seems a little odd that it can be days, to weeks, for reviews of other cameraphones to be posted, but Google can team up with DXOMark so that the score release can coincide with a keynote.

    Not sure what the methodology of the site is, and if they’re using retail-purchased phones, or pre-release models provided by the manufacturers, but it’s just a little odd that Google, and DXOMark are working THAT closely together.

    Also – 100 should be the max score, otherwise what’s the point of a scale? I’m sure DXO is concerned about people putting less emphasis on the relevance of the scores once most cameraphones start getting high 90’s/100’s regularly (within a couple of years), and as a result, de-emphasizing the importance of DXO as a resource.

    If using a numeric scale, 100 should be the max, and it should be about context. Or just switch the scale up entirely – don’t average the Photo and Video scores, but roll-out 5 key metrics, resulting in a letter grade. Given the constant evolution of the category (Portrait modes/Lighting effects/Augmented Reality, etc…)using a static numeric scale that averages a Photo and Video score is overly simplistic.

    • Stefan

      Your thinking is way way off. I’m glad DxO implemented a limitless scoring system, otherwise the score would have applied only to this/current point in time, making the score incomparable to future reviews. “Points out of 10 or 100”, “gold/silver/bronze awards”, “stars”, all have one thing in common, they are all fixed in time. The DxO system allows for better judgement of quality and functionality going forward, especially looking at the sub-scores. A lot of people have hangups with the overall score, aka the camera system score…

      • Bryan27

        I see where you’re coming from, and there is some truth to that. I would also say that it shows a lack of foresight on their part, and this new “limitless” scoring is just a reaction to the rapid evolution of cameraphone quality. Also – correct me if i’m wrong but this is the first i’ve seen where the site mentioned that the scores can exceed 100.

        Instead of clinging to a numerical system that doesn’t top out, I think just tweaking the scoring system would be smarter, and a little more proactive. It’s just setting yourselves up responsibly for the future. Who wants to see fanboys arguing about how “The iPhone XV got a 148 and the Note 14i got a 136 but the AR and triple lens 3D effect is WAY better on the Note”. Think about it.

        • Stefan

          I think the numerical system that is limitless is perfect, it will show if there is continued improved over a previous camera system or not. We as users expect continual improvement which the sub-scores will reflect. Fanboy arguments will always be there as long as we are allowed to comment, no matter what scoring system is implemented. It was obvious to me that the scores for mobiles would eventually go beyond 100 when I saw the sensor score for the RED Helium 8K of 108 points last year, following the same limitless point methodology. You mention tweaking the scoring system, how exactly?? As it stands currently they have to a large degree implemented a future proof system.

    • micahthomas

      I’m pretty sure DXOMark released scores for the iPhone the same day. Stop being biased

  • JR3

    This is what I call payola at its finest. The Note 8 had far better pics and video and you gave this thing a higher score smh.

  • Booooooooooooo…

  • Why are we pretending Bokeh and Zoom matter more than they do? Is that just so Apple can compete?

    • CyBrix_21

      Probably because those two features were only executed properly in DSLR, M4/3, or any other high-end digital camera until recently.

      • It’s just, disingenuous. That’s all. Those are two features almost nobody uses, and with those tests omitted, it’s doubtful Apple would stay in the top ten.

        • CyBrix_21

          Nope. Zoom is a very powerful feature to have. Definitely its most practical use in casual photography is capturing objects from a distance. However, zoom becomes more prominent when you approach professional photography.

          The same can be said for bokeh. Depth of field is important in photography. Emphasis. Samsung laymanized it with Live Focus.

          The most plausible explanation why you do not see those features used is because those features were pretty useless if not non-existent until recently. Those features are pretty common in digital photography.

          I will hold back my opinion on the other statement, though.

          • And you might use Zoom once every 50 shots. So Zoom is a minor feature to a smartphone camera. Pretending it matters more than it does in this case only serves to benefit Apple. The reality is those 49 shots you’d take on a higher quality phone like the Pixel will always be better because they gave apple extra points on two rarely used features. One a total gimmick virtually nobody actually uses.

          • CyBrix_21

            The same can be said for low-light photography. It only works for certain conditions. If that’s the case then we should just scrap all conditions and just test the prowess of the camera in a fixed environment (ISO standards).

            You can even say that many casual photographers use bokeh to capture themselves than shooting low-light images, but that’s another perspective. Both zoom and depth of field are important in photography as much as other features.

          • And the same can be said for the stupid dancing T-Rex I can add on my Xperia to every shot. But I’m not seeing a broken out “T-Rex Animation Acumen” category here.

            Edit: I just realized I’ve actually used the stupid dancing T-Rex more than I’ve ever done a Bokeh. So technically it matters more.

          • CyBrix_21

            I would love to see that in DSLRs and M4/3s. Maybe Sony should convince other manufacturers to add that feature.

          • Good call

        • Duel

          Zoom raises mobile photography to whole new level, biggest flaw with smartphones has been lack of zoom, so it means your photos always look kind a same. With zoom you can get photos which you couldn’t get, for example concert photography where you are mostly too far from subject, zoom make your photos look lot better.

          As a mobile photographer, bokeh, zoom and studio lights are biggest thing what Im looking for my new phone (iPhone X) all those stuff makes my photos look more like coming from pro camera instead from smartphone.

          • Zoom was already being measured along with other features similar to it in a broad category as normal. Breaking it out really only benefits Apple. It’s like how Anandtech used to take real benchmark tests (which are typically 20-30 tests) and make “new” tests by stripping out the 5-7 tests Apple could win, and using only those.

          • dredlew

            Keep that tinfoil hat on very tight, the mighty Apple is coming for you.

          • Asking a logical question that ended up being the most popular post in the discussion is not tinfoil hat territory. What you are attempting to do right now is much closer.

  • James

    Gotta say, based on the samples above, I prefer the iPhone’s photos. Maybe the Pixel has better numbers on the charts and graphs, and there’s a smidge more detail for the pixel peepers, but the iPhone colors are more pleasing to my eye.

    • Bobby Wright

      to each their own..

  • Cod3rror

    Look at those photo comparisons.

    Pixel 2: https://i.imgur.com/dVRkAlf.jpg
    HTC: https://i.imgur.com/xVHXCRA.jpg

    And Pixel gets 98? HTC is CLEARLY better. So are iPhone and Galaxy S.

    • Humza Ahmed

      You can’t even see the image, let alone the details in the dark areas on the HTC.

    • shud4

      the pixel manages a wow effect on the sky balance, but the photo overall is very noisy. at most it’s a tie imho, but I’d probably take the htc.

    • micahthomas

      The detail in the shadows are lost on the HTC, and the colors look better to me

    • Harley

      There’s more detail in the dark vines, a place the HTC doesn’t pick up any detail, and the sky is bluer. The Pixel 2 scores so well because of it’s superior dynamic range.

    • PublicStaticVoidMain

      please wear your glasses. it might look better when looked from a far, but the details are clearly lost in the HTC photo you shared. the Pixel has sharper, albeit noisier photo, while the HTC looks like it suffers much from jpeg compression. also, the dynamic range is superior in the Pixel 2 based on those two photos.

      • Cod3rror

        You are the one who needs glasses. HTC exposes everything naturally. Pixel tries and fails to show details where they should not be. Also look at all the fuzz and grain on the text.

        • PublicStaticVoidMain

          you are confusing sharpness with noise. i said the pixel was noisier but it is sharper. in photography, i think many people prefer sharpness over softness, otherwise camera manufacturers would just stop people from going beyond ISO 1600. the pixel is sharper, and i can use more details in the pixels photo than in the htc’s. i think the prblem with htc is that it tried to take an underexposed photo and digitally brightens it, whereas the pixel use higher ISO using proper exposure.

  • amir rashid

    ONE MORE RUBBISH TEST PROTOCOL IN DXOMARK. YOU HAVE TO GIVE THIS TEST RESULT 100% ACTUALLY HAHAHAAHA… AGAIN I DONT BELIEVE THIS DXOMARK ANYMORE. SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEIR NEW PROTOCOL…

  • With Google on-stage citation of DXOMark testing Pixel 2 as the highest ever. How much did Google pay DXO for this score?

    Namely, Pixel 2’s “1 lens is just as good as 2 lens” utter bullshit shows in the Portrait mode screwups:
    https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_GooglePixel2.jpg
    vs
    https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_ip8Plus.jpg

    Machine learning, computational photography is all good and well, but software can only guess so much as seen here. Dual cameras is not a guess, it’s hard math merging 2 shots at different focal length to give a precise 3D depth map of the captured scene.

    The Portrait mode hack and subsequent bokeh score is hardly penalized by DXO and glossed over.

    I wanted to rely on DXO as an authoritative camera comparison scoring but this is a joke.

    • adsubzero

      Bokeh mode category is a joke anyway. I don’t know why was it included in a review by, namely, professionals.

      • It is not a joke. Portrait mode will save me from carrying my DSLR 90% of the time. iPhone 8+ portrait/macro shots show bokeh that’s damn impressive and natural looking and is currently unrivaled. No android currently does the kind of dual lens merging to calculate 3D mapping of scene like Apple is doing and I’m pretty sure they hold patents for it.

        • adsubzero

          Oh come on. It does look nice when done correctly, even then not without imperfections. However it’s mostly hit and miss, and it will never parry a DSLR.

          • Hit and miss on the Pixel 2 yes, as clearly shown even on the few test images DXO did here. Again, difference being Google’s software only implementation (2 lenses aren’t necessary, hah) vs. hardware based 3D depth mapping in the iPhone 8+/X (and maybe Note 8, not sure how they implemented it. Dual lenses could just be for optical zoom for Sammy, they’ve never been good with software to merge 2 cameras for calculating depth map. This isn’t trivial)

          • lukigi

            The iPhone 8 looks better yes, but come one it looks like a very crude cutout pasted on a blurred background, so fake its not usable, at least not for my standards.

          • I don’t know what cut out are you talking about. You are just trying to justify the existence of your DSLR? Me and many pro photographers are impressed with iPhone 7+’s portrait mode, and there is something not right with the bokeh there. That’s been much improved in the 8+.

          • lukigi

            If you don’t see the the artifacts around her head here, that look like a very bad cutout blur the background and paste https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref1_Bokeh-Indoor_ip8Plus.jpg then you and your friends are simply blind.

          • Now look who’s nitpicking.

          • lukigi

            Call it how you want, its even worse here https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_ip8Plus.jpg not to mention that a shallow depth of field like here and especially on the portrait I’ve posted before would create a bit of depth on the person itself, but here it just looks like 2 different focuses blended together (which actually it is)

          • Funny you use this example, because Pixel is so much better in this scene! https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_GooglePixel2.jpg Because it only need 1 lens not 2 with machine learning, it touts.

            You are comparing to DSLRs? Oh how about you go and do a direct comparison of the same scene and show me how much better your DSLR is? A DSLR which is multiple times bigger, heavier and more expensive, and only does one thing while the iPhone is a computer as well? 😉

          • lukigi

            I was saying this feature is a gimmick to me, for my standards, it’s not usable, but standards vary, for yours looks like its fine.

          • Not a gimmick to this professional photographer: http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

            You obviously have higher standards. We are not worthy.

          • lukigi

            Shots on his blog look good indeed, unlike those on here, which brings the question are they just top picks that went out well,

          • When I use my DSLR, if I shoot events, I certainly publish only the top picks. I guess you are too pro and every shot is top?

            How it’s picked, does it matter? It shows what the camera is capable of.

          • Are you so pro that you don’t pick when you publish your shots if you shoot events with a DSLR? Because I do. Does it matter how it’s picked? A photo is a photo, if it’s not doctored, it shows what the camera is capable of.

            “Unlike those on here”? Lol, what does that say about the reviewers. They are technical scorers (not very objective either), not photographers.

          • lukigi

            It matters when the algorithm works once in a hundred or every single time. Besides I can see that it works better when the head is about 90% of the shot (all of his shots) which inst something I do often after all there is only that many mugshots of my family I can take lol. You cant really even see the bokeh as its all head anyway, not to mention they all wear hats or scarfs so that’s much easier for the algorithm again.

            Anyway, I can see you are very protective of this feature, so go on and use it, I don’t really see much use of it for me, and I would rather have a much better manual controls like say on LG v30 than a magical do it all process. But then that’s me, and I hate all the one click magic retouching software as well. I like control and perfection.

          • “You cant really even see the bokeh as its all head”
            Now who’s blind?

            “much better manual controls”
            There are apps for that.

            “I hate all the one click magic retouching software as well”
            You’d hate stock camera apps of Samsung and maybe Pixel as well, since as other say, Pixel is “no frills and basic and works great”. Not saying you are sold on Pixel here.

        • Prime

          In a few years time when all these Bokeh photos look accurate enough I will be so happy. Already looking pretty close to real especially on the iPhone and note. I have a tiny 45mm f1.8 which is beautiful and sharp and I don’t mind having Bokeh on my phone too. Why not guys.

        • micahthomas

          You know google has patents for it as well (probably more)? They were the first ones to start working on AR with project tango. I’m pretty sure that’s where using multiple cameras on phones to do 3d mapping of spaces started.

          And I’m confident that google can improve the software processing as more people use the feature

          Also you use DSLRs just for the bokeh…

          • First, Tango is for AR but has nothing to do with Portrait mode and computational photography.

            As for Tango, it *was* cool years ago, but nobody cared because no one built tango phones (too much hardware needed, not economical etc.) Now iPhone X coming out with Face ID that essentially squeezes the Kinect sensors array into a phone notch. A different tech than Tango but it works, and probably works better.

            I’m sure Google can improve software. Apple can too. Apple is actually now first to come out with real, large scale deployment of AI specific chip (Neural Engine) for on-device machine learning. Androids will be playing catch up with that for years to come. Pixel 2 comes with a similar chip it seems but Pixel 2 is going to sell as well as the Pixel, which is hardly a blip. The difference here is iPhones will have a headstart with hardware based 3D sensing while even the Pixel 2 is stuck with software. It’s like hardware OIS vs software EIS. The latter is nice but having both hardware and software stabilization is obviously better.

            Why is Pixels not selling? Pricing has been and continues to be a joke. They are selling toy looking and constructed phones at, let’s see:

            Pixel 2 XL – $949 – 128gb
            iPhone 8 Plus – $949 – 256gb <- Dual lenses, not plasticy too

            And people thought iPhones are expensive.

          • John Fun

            Gary Fung…

            “Plasticy”, it is made of aluminum.

            Pixel 2 XL has 1/2″ larger screen AND dual front facing speakers while managing to keep the bezels down to over half the size of the MASSIVE iPhone 8 Plus bezels that have been the same size since the original iPhone.

            So, I’m sorry, your comparison is for naught. Google beats Apple 100% here.

          • micahthomas

            Pixels aren’t going to compete with iPhone 8 Plus by lowering pricing, I would rather they not. I think they are pushing android out of the fragmented and cheap ecosystem it is right now. No one is asking you to buy it.

            About build quality, Have you compared the iPhone 7 Plus vs Pixel XL? I thought they were identical in build quality. I would assume that Pixel 2 is going to be of similar or better quality unless you have some hands-on experience we all missed out on.

            Tango: Used IR Camera + Regular Camera to map out the world. The iPhone X uses the same tech except for a specific purpose of facial recognition. Shorter range requirements (face is right in-front of the phone), so they can compress the size of the sensors. Google probably thought fingerprint is good enough (especially with under glass fingerprint tech coming in a year or 2) + faster than facial recognition so didn’t bother with pursuing a targeted use case like this.

            However Apple has enough marketing strength to make it a feature that people will be excited about. Imagine a world where Apple went with fingerprint sensor (under glass or on the back) for the iPhone X and Pixel 2 came out with a facial recognition (with 3d mapping and stuff), which one do you think you would be gushing about? Oooooh they have have fingerprint sensor under glass, who cares about facial recognition – I’m guessing would be your reaction.

            About machine learning & AI, I think google has a much bigger head-start on it than anyone else. They literally have more data about its users than any other company in the world. And they have the biggest marketshare (android phones using google play send info to google) in the smartphone section. Unless Apple is a hypocrite and is harvesting data off of you (or other apple users) when they have fought hard to keep the impression that your data doesn’t leave your phone. Google is explicit in what data it collects and have been forever, they don’t hide it, they embrace it.

            Anyway, I’ve spent enough energy posting this comment, and it’ll probably be a waste, so If I’m still not making any sense, I’ll concede and ignore any combative replies

        • lukigi

          Really, have you looked at the portrait examples at full size, they look like the most amateurish Photoshop job I’ve seen, its a nice gimmick but for now at least, its not something I would personally use.

      • amir rashid

        Yes agree..

    • Humza Ahmed

      Portrait mode does NOT justify what makes a good camera. If you’re looking for real-looking portrait modes then go buy an SLR.

      • People like you also said camera phones are useless years ago, just use a real camera.

        When a camera in my pocket can do 80% of all a DSLR does, yes I do care and is part of what makes a great PHONE camera. I can even justify my likely iPhone X purchase because of it, considering how much DSLRs cost.

      • amir rashid

        Agree…

      • dmo580

        True, nothing beats a DSLR, but the iPhone is pretty damn good. I own both a Pixel and an iPhone and also am a professional photographer. The Pixel’s portrait mode is outright unusable because not only does the interface suck, but its depth map is all flawed half the time.

        But seriously, let’s stop this DSLR phone camera debate. 10 years ago people said if you want a nice printable photo you need a DSLR, well the times have changed. Portrait mode isn’t there to replace DSLRs, but it’s fair to compare Pixel vs iPhone and other phones performance at least.

        • Thank you. Exactly my point.

          This is usually the case with Apple vs. competition. The difference between something usable everyday and gimmicks/hacks that don’t get used because it’s a half assed implementation, whether original idea or copycat. In this case, not even original. Google even copied the Portrait mode naming.

          • Jimk4003

            Have you tried a Pixel? It’s just a basic, no frills camera that takes excellent pictures every time.

          • Basic is right.

          • Jimk4003

            So, what is your criticism? Is it basic, or is it gimmicky? It can’t be both.

            When taking photos, I want basic. I want to just press the shutter button and get an excellent photo. The Pixel does that, and that’s great. I can’t be bothered with the fanboy bullshit that surrounds this stuff.

          • Stuff like Portrait mode is so you can press a button and get *better* photo than a flat photo otherwise with no bokeh.

            I want Pixel to do well with Google’s $1B HTC purchase. iPhones need competition to keep improving.

          • Jimk4003

            Sure. The Pixel 2 has portrait mode too if you want it; it’s in a menu that swipes out, as per Android design guidelines.

            But the UI when the camera opens is very basic; just a viewfinder with a shutter button and a means to switch between photos and video. Effectively just the things you need to take a photo quickly and without distraction.

            The Pixel has shown itself to be a very capable camera, and the Pixel 2 looks to be continuing this trend.

            I’m still not sure what your criticism is?

          • macmanred

            No, the Pixel doesn’t make excellent photos every time. Just look at the Pictures here. The model looks horrible in most of the shots, while it Looks pleasant on the iPhone 8+ shots.

          • Jimk4003

            Well, my comment was in response to the previous comments that was claiming the Pixel camera was simultaneously both ‘basic’ and ‘gimmicky’; something I feel is a contradictory series of statements. My comment is based on the original Pixel XL, not the Pixel 2; I feel it is still valid for me to comment as the camera UI and functionality is broadly the same across both the old and new devices (except for the new portrait mode, of course). My comment that the Pixel takes excellent photos is based on my experience with the original Pixel XL, not the Pixel 2.

            It’s important to view my comment that the Pixel takes excellent photos every time in the following context:

            1) The comment refers to the original Pixel XL, not the phones being tested above.
            2) The comment is based on a years actual usage of the device, not dxomark tests, nor anyone elses opinion stated as fact.

            I’m not prepared to simply read something on the internet and take it as truth, nor base my opinion on a series of dxomark test, which should be taken with a grain of salt at all times. Two different people viewing the dxomark results on different devices can’t have a meaningful discussion about the results; we have no way of knowing if our monitors are calibrated the same, and so we have no way of knowing if we are even looking at the same thing. I don’t consider dxomark test particularly reliable either; every phone released this year has seemingly had the ‘best camera ever’ for at least five minutes.

            As such, we’re really not in a position to compare the Pixel 2 to anything; none of us have spent any extensive time with the device, as they haven’t even begun shipping yet. As such, whilst I’m happy to pass comment on the UI and features of the Pixel 2 camera (being, as they are, very similar to the features and UI of the original Pixel camera), I really don’t have any opinion of the Pixel 2 photos themselves. Since no-one has used the device outside of a demo room at a Google event, I’m not sure how anyone else has an opinion on them yet either.

            The original Pixel, however, takes excellent photos every time I use it; which is all I’m qualified to say.

  • Prime

    Wow that high score just got higher. I tot some photos on the 8 plus in the comparison looks more natural. Anyway I like note 8 photos even more. Pixel is surprising to deliver Bokeh without a second lens. I always tot AI can help a lot for Bokeh and maybe having a true depth sensor like the x. Why no score for selfie Bokeh. I think pixel wins for now. For those saying Bokeh is not important in a few years pixel will improve their AI so much we can stop bringing our prime lens around. And with better edge detection we can do simulated f0.95 from the Leica or voigtlander.

  • Bobby Wright

    Lots of crying and accusations of payola? Geez.
    Cry louder and maybe Samsung and apple will hear you and make a better camera 😀

    • Jurassic

      You do have to wonder how DxOMark were able to get a Pixel 2 phone even before it was announced by Google… It hasn’t gone on sale yet.

      In other words, it was given to them by Google (it was not purchased from another source, to be objective about the hardware), and DxOMark had the new phone with enough time to test the phone in order to release the results on the very same morning that Google announces the new phone.

      I’m not a big fan of Consumer Reports, but at least when they test products they are purchased independently. They are not specific samples provided by the manufacturers!

      • Yes, as watch companies send their watch to private companies to earn label on it before it is even announced. Sorry but your argument is unavailable.

      • Bobby Wright

        And Google did the same thing last year. The original pixel rating was also available the day of the announcement. So what if google provided them with devices to test before hand? The original pixel was indeed a very good (if not the best at the time) smartphone camera.

      • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

        Same with the iphone 8. Stop being do butthurt.

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  • Cuong

    So many butthurt Sheeples and Samsung fanboys.
    “my Note 8 takes better pictures”, LMAO. Do you have a Pixel 2?

    • Jurassic

      “Do you have a Pixel 2?”

      Of course no one has a Pixel 2 because it was only announced today, and hasn’t gone on sale yet… Which means that DxOMark was GIVEN a particular sample of the Pixel 2 well in advance of today’s announcement, rather than purchasing one off the shelf independently in order to have an unbiased test of the product.

      I’m not saying that the Pixel 2 didn’t test well, only that Google was in a position to control the sample that was given to DxOMark.

      • Cuong

        Do you have any proof that Google gives DxOMark those samples? How do you explain those laboratory scene photos

        • novainc

          He is saying that Google had control over the unit they gave DxO Mark, not that Google handed them the sample pictures.

          Anyway, DxO Mark’s testing protocol is secret and not related to the samples they publicly show. So it doesn’t matter if a company wants to tailor a device specifically to do well here, because they don’t really know what goes into the calculations. If it was as easy as checking out the public photo samples on DxO Mark’s reviews, many companies would have scored much higher by now.

      • George C22

        And DXOMark got a HTC way before launch day( back then on the launch day HTC bragged about having the highest rated phone on DXOMark) so they were biased again. They didn’t stayed in line for the iPhones also. Third time biased. :))

  • S.H.U.R.O.

    98… Really DXO? ))

  • dmo580

    You really don’t hit the Pixel hard enough for its bad depth of field photos. They look beyond fake and there’s a LOT of errors in the depth mapping. I have A Pixel 1 and it’s unusable because not only does it fail half the time, but there’s glaring errors.

    You also don’t mention in the Pixel 1 that it’s a 2 step process compared to an iPhone. You have to snap and then rotate up. Half the time it still errors out depending on your scenery. Without explaining this well, you make it sound like just as effective as the iPhone.

    Furthermore, explaining how the Pixel 2’s lens blur mode works (is it the same interface?) would be helpful.

    • Jimk4003

      No, the ‘lens blur’ effect of the original Pixel (the one where you have to move the camera up) is different to what is being shown here.

      Google explained in the keynote that the single camera actually uses duplicate pixels to calculate depth of field (similar to how other devices use two cameras, but done within the same lens).

      That’s how these depth of field photos shown here are achieved, nothing to do with the old ‘lens blur’ camera trick of the older phones. It’s now a 1 step process, just like its competitors.

      • luthercale

        I didn’t realize this. Thanks for taking the time to explain it. Should be more fun to shoot this way, even if results aren’t always perfect (I imagine you can still get some good shots if you take enough/learn where its strengths and weaknesses are).

      • macmanred

        But it seems that it’s not working properly. It looks unnatural and there are many artifacts.

    • Ben Kalziqi

      instead of dual lenses, it uses the dual pixels (used for PDAF) to capture two images. it susses out a depth map from that; usually it’s too noisy to be successful, but google ML’d their way out of that, i suppose.

  • sanura wijayarathne

    Want the LG V30 review

    • GCHQ

      No thanks

      • novainc

        Ok

    • novainc

      Yes, please. Although this site focuses on auto mode when reviewing these phone cameras. The LG V30 is made for people who actually want to use the camera settings to get the shots the way they want them. You know, neither most of pixel nor iphone fanboys.

      • if you’re using manual mode, might as well use a compact point and shoot like the RX100?

        • novainc

          That’s like saying if use the EQ in the music player I might as well use a dedicated compact music player. If you are paying a lot for a phone that already has a capable camera on it, then it’s better IMO if you can make something good out of it rather than spending more money on extra gear that you’d need to carry. Auto doesn’t always get things right nor does what you intended to do. The LG V30 is great for that by default.

  • Humanshu Gajbhiye

    Open full size images of iPhone 8 and Pixel 2 of Details/Textures Category, tap on old man’s nose you’ll clearly see that iPhone get more details out of the shot. #GOOGLE_STOP_FUNDING_DXOMARK.
    Please Check out if I’m Wrong.
    Let me know below.

    • Humanshu Gajbhiye

      Although It’s good Phone but STOP advertising that it is the Best Camera.
      iPhone X have Machine Learning for Photos Let’s see what comes up next and how this [DXOMARK] rates iPhone X.
      It’s just a GIMMICK!!!!

      • What? the iphone 8 doesn’t do any more machine learning than the 8. U know how machine learning works right? It’s just software.

        • Humanshu Gajbhiye

          Not iPhone 8 or iPhone 8 Plus I’m talking about iPhone X

      • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

        As does the pixel 2.

        • Humanshu Gajbhiye

          Compare and see which looks easy around your eyes and true to life.

          • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

            Yes do that.

  • Mav6

    Like I said a few weeks ago the Pixel 2 was going to mop the floor with everything else, just accept it sheeple and others.

    • novainc

      5% difference = mop the floor?

      • Mav6

        Isn’t it the same 5% that had the sheeple singing Apple’s praises just a few weeks ago? SMH

        • novainc

          I don’t know. I am not every apple fan. What are you talking about? To me 5% is hardly mop the floor.. If we talk processor speed or something like that tho…

    • Jsmith8899

      The original Pixel images look better that the Pixel 2. Yikes.

      • Mav6

        Get your eyes checked if that’s what you think.

        • Jsmith8899

          When comparing regular shots without the fake bokeh the original Pixel does a better job. Seeing as we haven’t rewritten the laws of physics and only so much light can hit these miniscule sensors the original definitely had brighter images with less noise.

        • macmanred

          Maybe you like The Walking Dead, that’s why you prefer a model that looks like a Zombie on the Pixel Images.

  • RCC

    This is a Google advertisement.

    That’s why I don’t care about DXO.

    • Nicola B.

      Don’t get scroogled

    • Cuong

      “I don’t care about DXO” – said the person come to DxOMark’s article to comment.

    • George C22

      They were a lot of comments like yours when iPhone 8/8+ results were posted. Apple paid back then DXOMark for a good result. Now it’s Google turn. And they paid a little more since the result is 4 points higher. If Sony will make a camera phone that beats Pixel 2 score it will be Sony to pay DXOMark. Or LG, HTC… and so on :))

    • Then go fuck yourself outside DXO

  • Duel

    Seeing that score i’m littlebit surprised to see that almost all compare photos from iPhone here looks better.

    But great camera for sure.

    • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

      In your dreams Duelusional.

      • macmanred

        So you deny that the model in the Pixel Images looks like a Zombie? The skintones are way off and look muddy. The exposure is not on the subject, but on the background lightning, while both looks better on the iPhone Images.
        In practice I rellay don’t care that I can see the filaments in light bulbs, I care that the people I want to photograph look good.

  • Exynos

    So next year there will new protocols since we are already in 98 ….

    • Duel

      100 isn’t limit, not even close.

      • novainc

        what’s the limit?

        • There is no limit. As far as I understand, 100 is the reference score of the Nikon D850, which was probably considered the best DSLR when the rating was created.

  • Exynos

    Relax people just wait real world comparison …

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  • tedsan

    For the record, I come to this having developed digital imaging software for 20 years.
    Do an A/B comparison of the studio test scene at 5 lux, comparing the $5 bills and resolution chart lines. The Pixel 2 is superb, showing minimal image processing artifacts. Details are fine and natural. Now compare the iPhone 8 image. The test chart becomes blurry at finer spacings and the contrast has been blown out unnaturally around the edges. Same for the Note 8. It is clear that those phones are applying a noise reduction process to their image, then trying to sharpen it to enhance edges, which is why the contrast is higher but the resolution is lower. Google has taken a more conservative, and accurate, approach to dealing with the image.
    This would also indicate why the the other phones look less noisy in the test photos – they’re blurring out fine details to remove noise, at the expense of photometric accuracy.

    • Eric Calabros

      No. its because Pixel 2 uses a sharper (more resolving) lens. iPhone and Note had to compensate the optics shortcomings with adding micro-contrast.
      http://i64.tinypic.com/24lpnqc.jpg

      • tedsan

        We may be discussing different things. The iPhone 8 Plus has the same 12 MP resolution and f1.8 aperture as the Pixel 2. They should be capturing images of roughly equivalent resolution.

        As noted, if you compare the pixel-level details, Apple is applying far too much sharpening to the images. Anybody who has done image processing will have encountered this problem which actually leads to reduced resolution and artifacts.

        • Eric Calabros

          Sensor resolution is same, but optics quality is different. Probably Apple and Samsung using cheaper lens. The point is even if they wouldn’t apply much sharpening, image could look softer than Pixel 2, while all of them are 12MP.

          • tedsan

            There is absolutely no evidence of what you are saying.

  • Neil

    When iPhone got 94 — Dxomark is legit, the best and most professional test
    When Pixel 2 got 98 — Google paid you, dxomark is shit, blah blah blah..
    Haters and fanboys always find a way to cry…

    • George C22

      When iPhone got 94, biggest score then, they were a lot of comments too with Apple paid you.

      • novainc

        Of course, but to some people apple fanboys are the only fanboys that exist. They won’t ever take into consideration anything else.

    • Gandhi

      these are sam💩 virgins they were whining on iPhone u11 now they are whining here

    • Juan Acevedo

      This was true when the iphone score came out too for pixel users lmao

    • Cameron Lengerich

      Not what happened. I saw that people criticized DxOMark last year when the Pixel was the top rated phone, and also when the iPhone 8 Plus was the top rated phone. It happened in both instances. The problem is, you can’t assign a single number for a camera. A lot of it is personal preference as well.

  • TinusVerdino

    Yeah you can test a stupid smartphone, but the Pentax K-70? Nah….

  • AG

    A big disadvantage for the Pixel 2 that DXOMark doesn’t even mention …

    The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus can shoot 4K video at 60 frames per second. The Google Pixel 2 is limited to 30 frames per second in 4K. The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus can shoot 1080P video at 240 frames per second whereas the Pixel 2 is limited to 120 frames per second.

    • It does support 240fps slow motion.

    • PublicStaticVoidMain

      only slow motion.

      Pixel 2:
      1080p @ 30, 60, 120fps
      720p @ 30, 60, 240fps
      4K @ 30fps

      iPhone 8:
      1080p @ 30, 60 fps
      720p @ 30 fps
      4K @ 24, 30, or 60 fps

      1080p @ 120 fps is the sweet spot, imho.

      • The Truth

        You have missed some options:
        iPhone 8 can:
        Slo‑mo: 1080p@120 fps and 1080p@240 fps

        In addition to everything above.

        • PublicStaticVoidMain

          that is literally my first line (an acknowledgement of @AGfromLA:disqus ‘s claim). Pixel can do either, and I do not see why Google would change that for Pixel 2.

          • The Truth

            My bad then. Just saying Pixel now, may mean a short name for Pixel 2, Pixel line 😉 So I didn’t know you wanted to make an explicit statement about 1st gen. I think it’s safe to say Pixel 1 while you comment on Pixel 2 🙂

      • Leandro Vale

        I Like this 1080p @ 120

    • Ricky

      Yeah this is a pretty crucial feature. From what I’m hearing the Note 8 will get an update enabling 60fps. And the iPhone x will have 60 FPS from the get-go.

      • Jsmith8899

        The problem is storage. The Note 8 can’t write 4k 60fps to microsd at time of recording because the cards are too slow. So you have to record to internal storage and offload. The US model of the Note 8 at least only comes in a 64gb model and 4k at 60fps even with h.265 compression will fill that up in no time.

        • nikolas4129

          Indirectly related to your comment, definitely storage is an issue, but not the way you’re saying. The Note 8 has external storage, so you can take a ton of videos without running out of space on the phone, because as you say, you can “record to internal storage and offload” to the sd card after. The Pixel meanwhile gets around storage issues by offering free Google storage for all photos/videos taken with the phone (at full quality, not compressed), so you’re also covered there. Unfortunately for iphone users, they’ll fill up their phones quickly taking huge video files at 60fps, and have to pay for Apple cloud storage to free up phone space while remaining accessible, something that’ll cost them, month after month…

          • Jsmith8899

            Google isn’t offering free storage forever. You also cannot record directly to Google photos either so you still have to have a large amount of local storage. You also can use Google photos free lower quality storage for free on iOS. So Google photos as an offering in this case is sort of a moot point. Especially when people who do not have a pixel and have android devices can save to a Youtube account archive and be none the wiser.

            The biggest problem is local storage to the device because it’s fast enough to actually record to. The iPhone may not have a card reader but it too can offload footage when the device is full.

          • nikolas4129

            That’s what I thought at first, that the storage was free only for only 3 years, but what is really happening is that the first three years’ worth of photos and video are forever free and unlimited at full resolution. It’s just that after three years no more NEW media is covered under the free storage. i.e. All existing media you take in those 3 years stays free. And three years is as long as people keep a phone really (even less nowadays) so it works out fine. Plus there’s the dead easy cloud backup which happens every time I get back home or on any WiFi network really, so it’s automatically backed up effortlessly.
            The awesome thing about Google Photos is it is a cloud storage but you still see the thumbnails, so you can delete the phone copy if you run out of space but it’s still very accessible if you want to get to the older photos.

    • Darkness

      Most slow motion, the cinematic type consumers are used to seeing in films is shot at 60-90 fps then conformed to 24 fps. Anything above this creates a very slow, slow motion that would bore most audiences to watch. 120-240 fps and beyond is mainly useful to the scientific community, and the slo mo guys.

      I think it’s important to point out to all consumers, regardless of brand, a lot of these cellphone features are gimmicks to move product. The truth is as this point we are splitting hairs when it comes to image quality between the manufactures.

      The most important thing in a good camera is resolution, dynamic range and for those that want to push their cellphone photography/videography to the next level, manual control and RAW output. Everything else are “nice to haves” but by no means are essential into capturing great images and videos with a little experience.

    • Dan Wilson

      lol. Why is that a disadvantage? When would you EVER need 4k at 60fps? Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you should.

    • Jsmith8899

      You can prioritize the sharper frames in the final encode after editing when dropping the frame rate to get a better looking overall video. More fluid motion. Slow mo. There is a long list of things you can do with the added frame rate

  • Juan

    I’m confused, this says the iPhone 8 Plus has the best zoom, even though the Note 8 kills it in the zoom category (66 for the Note 8 to 51 for the iPhone). Was this written before testing the Note 8? The Pixel 2 looks like a great camera, barely edged out in terms of photo quality by the Note 8 (100 for Note 8 and 99 for Pixel 2), but the Pixel kills it in video quality (84 for Note 8 and 96 for Pixel 2) and that’s what gave it such a high score.

    • Jsmith8899

      Note 8 kicks the Pixel 2’s butt. The Iphone 8+ is comparable to the Note 8 in every way except for color temperature and OIS in the second lens.

      • Keith Leger

        can’t say that until you use the phone/camera. I have the note 8…great camera. I had the pixel and the note 7 last year and same was said. I just want to say that using the camera the pixel was just so much more consistent. Could I get better photos from Galaxy at times…yes. but on average the pixel always produced the better shot and quicker. That was just my feel last year. Now I have the note and love it…just a tad to big/tall/bulky feel for me and I’ll get the pixel xl 2…missing the camera.

        • Jsmith8899

          That may be true…but the images from the original Pixel also wipe the floor with the Pixel 2.

          • Keith Leger

            I don’t see that. There is more detail in what I see. Colors can easily be tweaked. But unless you have one in hand and using it from production firmware then judgement really can’t be fully made. I’ll get mine in a few weeks and judge for myself 🙂

          • Jsmith8899

            We haven’t rewritten the laws of physics and these sensors aren’t getting physically larger. The “differences” we see are all post processing. I’d say the Pixel 2 is sharper but it has far more artifacts and noise overall. I mean even look at the comparison with the iphone with the girl looking over the edge….the Pixel 2 is blurry and out of focus and the iphone you can see here eyes, etc.

  • I think it’s obvious that the Pixel 2 is better, but I also think it’s obvious we are splitting hairs at this point.

    • Alex Zhen

      Part of their job is to split the hairs, kudo to DXO team

    • Jsmith8899

      Obvious? OBVIOUS?! lmfao The original Pixel samples look better than the Pixel 2. What is with all the artifacts in the images? Why does it prioritize dynamic range over the actual subject of the shot?

  • Alexander Astashko

    iphone 8 plus has obviously less noise on most surfaces, and u get 98 points for this garbage?
    iphone 8 plus – https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/160-2-1.jpg
    pixel 2 – https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Cafet_GooglePixel2-1.jpg
    same example with corners on comparison with htc u11. 4k only 30 fps, bad bokeh simulation, bad zoom because one lens, FOR WHAT 98? How much google paid u?

    • Alexander Astashko
      • And yet Google still beats the iPhone and s8 in autofocus, dynamic range and low light… There’s more to a good camera than having 2 lens and bokeh.

        • Alexander Astashko

          look at my last reply, there’s more noise in low light, and girl is out of focus, what are u talking about?

          • Less noise on the iPhone cuz they applied more denoiser which will affect image quality. The pixel 2 has slightly more noise but a lot more details. Girl is not out of focus what are you talking about? Also notice the much better dynamic range on the pixel whereas the lights on the iPhone and note 8 will be blown out. Hahahahahahaha

          • Alexander Astashko

            i am professional photographer and i can say that 1- girl is out of focus on pixel (focus on the background wall. 2-iphone has much more details in hair, eyebrows, her shirt and other. 3-iphone’s noise is way more pleasant than pixel’s (iphone’s noise looks like grain, but pixel’s noise got huge amount of color noise, noise pieces is larger, and more dirty wall surface.

          • I’m a professional photographer too so I’m going to compare 1 bad test out of a dozen other test where the pixel excelled hahahahahah.

          • Jsmith8899

            Notice how in both the iPhone 8+ and note 8 photos the subject is exposed properly? The reason the Pixel has better dynamic range in some shots is because it isn’t discerning what the subject of the image is and exposes on the dark end. Who cares if you can see clouds if the person you’re taking a photo of look like they rolled around in mud? I’ll use wedding photos as an example…you’ll notice the highlights of the background being blown out more often than not because as long as the subject is in focus, exposed properly, etc the image/story will look good.

      • Juan

        The iPhone 8 Plus smooths out her face as if Vaseline was smeared over the sensor…that’s not a good thing.

        • Alexander Astashko

          so u wanna say face out of pixel’s camera looks better? hahahahah

        • Jsmith8899

          It’s a tiny sensor. Until we can rewrite the laws of physics they will all look like that or have so much noise you’ll wish your face was covered in vaseline.

      • Wonsz

        I think Iphone have less noise because iphone software denoise photo much more than Pixel. Look that window line in Iphone isnt straight because of denoising. It dosent made Iphone photo better, but it is making it more unatural (it is important what U want to achive. I think when u will postproduct image from Pixel, U will get way better results than Iphone.)
        About second photo , background is way better then Iphone. There arent any details…

        I like Pixel photos, Iphone are good too. Personal preference.

        One more thing… do U care about 60fps on 4K? For what? where will U use it? U are filmaking some serious things? My A7S have only 60 fps on 1080p and it isn’t bad…

        • Alexander Astashko

          anyway, better to have that 60 fps than not have 60fps, u can slo-mo, you can smoother video for some fast action videos, pixel’s camera not bad, but it’s not as good for score 98 points

          • Wonsz

            I undestand what gives 60 fps :). I think comparing those things is like – 20 mpx is better than 12 mpx because U have bigger image and then saying that i cant use it to print hilarious big image… It always depends what do U need. DxO dosen’t test functions, they test results.

          • Alexander Astashko

            20mpx better than 12 if it has same iso performance and same speed of writing on a memory, and good quality glass that can achieve that 20mpx resolution.

          • Wonsz

            Okay, U are right. But still are will U pay extra 100$ for 8 mpx, when U are watching photos on your phone? Or even on TV (which probably isn’t calibrated as your phone, and photos looks diffrent than on phone… ). For good video quality, which is fluid and not choppy U need at least 30 fps, and Pixel has it. 60 fps, 120 fps, 960 fps its only feature and U dosent need it to record video… U have to understand that if U have 60 fps it is a privilege, but not necessery.

          • Alexander Astashko

            mb somebody print pictures, for me, 12mpx is enough, but for someone is not. everybody purchase camera for thei own needs. but pixel 2 xl is the same price as 8 plus, and i prefer to have better bokeh, zoom, and 60fps

          • Prime

            Apple achieved 4k60 and 1080/240 with H.265. Which is smaller and more efficient file format, they have been doing FaceTime in H.265 for some time now.

      • Duel

        That pixel photo is really horrible, so much wrong with that.

    • Wu-Yang Hsu

      those kitchen photos were not even taking at the same time, look how two pictures have different sunlight… This is so unprofessional. How can you do the comparison with different lighting condition? They should at least do same image with same conditions on all their reviews in order to compare… every review they did have different scene, which only makes them a big joke.

  • Ivan Silva de Carvalho

    Iphone 8 is Better.

  • Ricky

    When will you guys do a review for the lgv30?

    • Xda pro

      When lg pay!

  • shams

    on phone only, avg marks for
    iphone 8 plus = 70.7
    pxel 2 = 71.1

    difference is 0.44

    • Thewhoopimen

      I’m confused as well. Nothing in the criteria scores of the Pixel 2 indicates a 99. Where did that 99 final tally come from? As far as I can comparing individual images…How are these points weighted?

      • Keith Leger

        total video score 96, total camera score 99. add the 2 and divide by 2 you get 97.5 in a whole number scoring system that is 98. That would be my guess.

  • Stefan

    People are going totally overboard with regards to the timing of the review. What you don’t know is that there was an embargo that was lifted only a few hours ago, giving journalists the right to publish in-depth and hands-on reviews of units that were shipped to them prior to the official launch date. It works exactly the same way for CPU and GPU reviews for instance. You’ll see a lot of Pixel 2 reviews popping up on the internet over the next few days.

  • Marcos Muñoz Mariano

    98 points? wow… looks like Adelaide Byrd is giving points over here too… XD

  • Kino Lockhart

    I really think Sony should be here. What’s going on Sony?

    • Lucidfeuer

      Nothing, they’re just not paying DxO.

  • Ruy Penalva

    OK. I will believe! Is the sky the limit?

  • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

    Cue the iFans with “Google paid them”. But two weeks ago when i8+ was on top it was legit. Lol. And remember the iPhone 8 went up immediately after the change in testing protocols so that looked funny too right? It’s just because DXO got them beforehand to test. And it is so obvious from these images that it’s the winner. Sorry fanboys, have some dignity and deal with it.

    • Duel

      Actually the iPhone 8 plus page was full of butthurt fandroids giving all kind of excuses.

      • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

        Yup and they were idiots too. DXO does their job and people need to stop with the “pay for scores” nonsense. They work hard to do these tests. Real results tell the real story. This is a reference point. And real results (on here) easily show the pixel 2 won. We will see more reviews on YouTube shortly.

        • Jsmith8899

          The results on here look like garbage. The original pixel looks better than the pixel 2 images. If you look at them up close there is weird blotches of areas that are super sharp and others that are blurry as hell with weird square artifacts.

      • Matthew Langley

        Most of which wondering why the Note 8 hadn’t been reviewed yet when it came out before. Still a valid question btw

        • Duel

          Isn’t it obvious? Because they knew how much publicity and hits the iPhone best camera test would get, i mean i haven’t followed these comment sections before, but i have a feeling iPhone 8 plus propably been most visited?

          If you look amount o comment after this new test method came, it’s very easy to see visits of this site exploded after that 8 plus test. I would say very smart move from dxomark!

          • Matthew Langley

            Yup, this is what I’ve been thinking and proposed early on in the IP8+ comment section. Great marketing but bad for trust and objectivity. Really lost a lot of trust from me and many others. Fortunately there are some other phone camera reviewers out there really stepping it up like supersaf and phonearena.

          • Duel

            Phonearena? You can’t be serious, i just checked phonearena camera comparison and even the guy admitted that he doesn’t like natural looking photos, he prefer wonderland coloured photos.

            “What look like dull and uninspiring colors are actually shades that come very close to what we could see in real life. ”

            He admitted two cameras do very natural looking photos and yet he chose Note 8 photo with huge yellow hue over the photo which looks horrible to have highest score. Sorry can’t take seriously guy like that, he clearly doesn’t understand much about photography.

          • Matthew Langley

            I can be serious, they include multiple side by side pictures with crops for you to use your own eyes and come to your own opinion. The Note 8 objectively captures more detail in low light in all of those photos, period.

            He chose higher detail over color rendition in some photos… You can process colors if you have enough detail to work with, you can’t add more detail and the Note 8 has a huge detail advantage.

            Seriously you should step back and evaluate your bias. Have you looked at the wide array of comparisons on the web? The iPhone has an exaggerated color bias, often making blue skies unrealistically blue. You’re simply trading one color rendition for the other, not a clear winner in many photos, but again the Note 8 is a *clear* winner in low light detail.

            The iPhone 8+ is a good camera and it does better than the Note 8 in some areas, but again clearly in real scenes the Note 8 captures far more low light detail giving you far more power to process your imagines however you want, you should know this. If you want to choose the inferior low light camera since you prefer Apple that’s fine, but don’t pretend it’s anything else.

      • Ben Liu

        All of the blind testing from other independent sites have put Note 8 MUCH higher than iPhone 8+. Butt hurt is on iTARD fans like you. lol

        https://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-8-Plus-vs-Galaxy-Note-8-low-light-camera-shootout-Which-is-better-for-taking-photos-at-night_id98511

        • Duel

          Are you serious, all Those Note 8 photos has huge yellow hue over the photo. Very bad looking photos.

          • Ben Liu

            Read the full review:

            https://www.phonearena.com/news/Best-smartphone-cameras-compared-iPhone-8-Plus-vs-Galaxy-Note-8-LG-G6-Xperia-XZ1_id98440

            The Note 8 has a more moderate hue than the iPhone 8+. Not to mention much better night shots which puts it into a different league altogether.
            “Right from the start, we knew that the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 had a solid
            chance of winning this race, but we didn’t expect it to be ahead of the
            rest by this much. Still, we think it’s a fair and well-deserved first
            position. As the score and images we analyzed demonstrate, Samsung’s
            phablet is clearly among the top cameraphones you can get right now.
            Frankly, its lead wasn’t as well pronounced during the daytime shots,
            but once we moved into low-light territory, the Note 8’s lead was
            evident.”

          • Duel

            It’s not my problem If that guy doesn’t understand how good natural looking photo should look, i checked those photos and Note 8 did worst job, Note also was only phone which colours were very different than others three, it should already ring a bell. Big yellow hue over photo, just like what shows in low light photos shows also in those daylight photos. For example look that photo from guy standing it’s so yellow. Can’t you see it? As a photographer and graphic designer with trained eye it looks very bad.

            Even that guy who wrote that review admit that he doesn’t prefer natural looking photos, he want those wonderland colours by Note 8.

            “What look like dull and uninspiring colors are actually shades that come very close to what we could see in real life.”

            He just said there that iPhone 8 plus offers very natural looking photo how the reality looks but he doesn’t like it. Yes reality is dull, thats why you edit the photos later to direction where you want. Photos taking with DSLR also look dull because they look real and natural.

            I said this already, Note 8 does lot of post processing to trying to make photos look better than they really are, sometimes it works and sometimes not. All those other three phones offered lot better natural overall look for photos.

          • Ben Liu

            There is no yellow hue from any of those shots. Not sure what you are referring to. I’ve done about a hundred pics from mine and it doesnt experience any yellow hues. The “natural colours” is such a typical comeback from Apple fans because they previously didnt have AMOLED screens to display it on, nor HDR type screens to show the picture in what it is meant to look.
            In fact, you can dial down a lot of those settings to match the “natural” (aka washed out and drab) colours coming from the iPhone. Why? because it has a bunch of built in controls that allows adjustment. Not like the default camera app of the iphone (one shutter button only). It is SUPER laughable to call your phone the “best camera phone” when they offer barely any levels of adjustment and control over what is shot. Oh.. there’s tons of apps that fix that? none produced by Crapple that is of any note. lol

          • Markus Hudobnik

            Why do you care so much? The Note and the iPhone both have pretty good cameras. Beating eat other rout in different categories. Give up this pointless “war”

          • Ben Liu

            I agree. I’ve said what I had to. Btw, I own both iPhone and Note 8. In a good position to speak on both platforms.

          • Duel

            no yellow hue? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiVbqOwkTHM pixel 2 XL vs Note 8 camera test, i say that video shows very well that 90% shots from Note 8 has bad yellow hue while pixel 2 XL nailed every shot.

          • Ben Liu

            Not to mention, has a better default camera app with optional expert manual mode. Apple’s camera app consisting of a shutter button with minimum amounts of options is a joke. LOL.

          • Duel

            Coming from photographer, appstore is full of camera apps with manual controls, have tried many of those and always going back to Apple’s own, less is more.

          • Ben Liu

            LOL… that’s in denial. “I love Apple to Death.. no matter what crap they throw at me – including a sub-par camera app that doesnt allow me to do anything, even though I’m supposedly a pro-photographer that adjusts my dials on the SLR because I’m so good”. 🙂 I’m not gonna bother arguing anymore because its getting stupid as these debates all typically turn out to be.

          • EP_2012

            On my calibrated monitors, the photos look fine – perhaps they look “yellow” compared to the cooler iphone photos, but they definitely look good.

          • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

            The yellow is because you are looking at it on your yellow tinged iPhone screen.

          • Duel

            this has nothing to do with iPhone, check this pixel 2 XL vs note 8 camera comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiVbqOwkTHM it shows it very well, note 8 makes everything yellow. and im on my windows work Computer now By the way.

          • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

            Nope it’s the yellow tinge feature on your iPhone 750p display.

        • Jsmith8899

          Note 8 was better in only ONE key area over the iPhone 8 and that is the OIS in the second camera. The .1 made very little difference in lighting conditions and only produced slightly more circular bokeh. That is it. Pixel 2 images here don’t even look as good as the first Pixel. Figure that one out.

        • thomr875

          Aside from some having butt issues, I think everyone should look at the photos and decide which they like best. If choosing a phone for the camera then they can make an educated purchase. Who really cares what the reviewer says as long as they show the photos?

    • NOHoldsBar

      no. nothing these guys write is legitimate imo.

      the Galaxy 8 line not only have hardware which is better (f1.7) in low light, pics are much more natural to your eyes.

      these bias reviewers need to stop with the Trump like rhetoric and compare all the players at the same time. of course, they’d get upset because some of the players would be kneeling. geez

      • Josh Hopkins

        What does Trump have to do with smartphones?

    • Jsmith8899

      The Note 8 and iPhone 8 Plus were very close. Note 8 edge out in front a bit because of OIS in the second camera. The Pixel 2 produces a decent thumbnail image but how can anyone look at these images up close (and even some of the thumbnails) and think it is a decent camera? The first Pixel did a better job than the Pixel 2.

    • thomr875

      I think as long as they show the pictures readers can decide for themselves which they like. It is subjective in some cases. I liked the iPhone color cast better than the Pixel’s in most of the photos. There were a couple I didn’t, though.

    • Please enter your name.

      maybe you should read this before trash talking https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/09/22/dxo-ratings-are-horseshit

      • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

        Lol. What a load of crap. Get your head out of your rear.

  • Kevin Barrett

    So lets see, hmmmm….. OK… The iPhone X ties with the Pixel 2 next month and gets a 98 as well!

    • Duel

      Propably get even more

      • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

        Exact same sensor as the 8+ but ois on zoom. Will still get 94. You will be crying for sure.

        • Duel

          Not same “Dual 12 MP, f/1.8 & f/2.4, phase detection autofocus, OIS, 2x optical zoom, quad-LED (dual tone) flash”

          8 plus “Dual 12 MP, (28mm, f/1.8, OIS & 56mm, f/2.8), phase detection autofocus, 2x optical zoom, quad-LED (dual tone) flash,”

    • Kumquat

      Doubtful. It’s the same camera modules except the iPhone X has OIS on the tele module.

      Apple kills it on portraits, Google on everything else. I wish I could buy an iPhone with the strengths of both the iPhone camera and the Pixel 2 camera!

      • Prime

        Yeah the pixel AI on the portrait mode is incredible, Apple portrait mode is already quite good but with pixel AI it will be even closer to a real camera. Next year maybe pixel or Apple will steal the show from micro 4/3. More likely pixel.

      • PI

        I-pixel

  • Ben Liu

    DXO is disgusting.. Cash for comments. Exactly the same way as original PIXEL – overrated PoS.

    • yardie

      you sound kinda hurt

      • Ben Liu

        Not hurt but expected. I already said this yesterday in Note 8’s review – even though it was top score for one day. LOL..
        Huawei and HTC would have paid DXO handsomely for this.

        • topkek

          Huawei isn’t even a manufacturer of the Pixel 2. Shows you how much you know about the Pixel.

          • Ben Liu

            No but their Mate 10 is coming out in a week. No doubt it’ll rule the benchmarks by then since they also paid for their last review

          • PI

            lmao, there hardly 3phones comes out in over a year to beat pixel score and they were top tier phones

  • тролльсостажем

    Interesting that on all samples iPhone image visually looks better and more pleasant

    • RosieQ

      I agree. Skin tones are much better with iPhone. Pixel seems to have better highlight preservation but with blue/magenta skin tones in the above examples. I know which one I would choose!

    • vonedaddy

      I agree, but I also noticed the pretty women seemed to smile more in the iphone images. Not that it matters, just pointing that out. 🙂

    • nikolas4129

      I first thought that too. I give the overall bokeh effect award to the iphone for sure, but the color seems off from natural. More pleasant? Perhaps, but it looks like there’s been a filter applied. I prefer to have an image closest to reality, then I can play with filters after if I wish.
      I also opened both photos (woman sitting in restaurant) and enlarged, and noticed there is substantial loss of detail in the iphone picture! Look at her right cheek and eye (so the left in the picture, where the refection is), it looks smeared in Apples’ shot, where the detail is preserved in the Pixel 2. Same for her eyebrows, very smeared in the iphone shot. Her hair too, much more detail in Pixels shot.
      So, either the Pixel takes better details, or I’m guessing Apple decided to soften up the details, maybe even the colors too, to make the shot look the way Apple wants and not how it really is.
      Either way, I’d rather have more original detail and the opportunity to post process with filters etc. later if I wish.

      • macmanred

        Most people don’t post process their smartphone images.
        That’s why I prefer the way the iPhone renders the Images.
        In the Pixel Images, the model Looks like a Zombie, while it Looks much better in the iP8+ Images.
        The exposure is on the model, and the skintones also look more natural.
        But DxO only counted that the highlights on the background are better preserved in the Pixel Image.
        That’s far away from reality. In reality the people want to have a good looking image from the perople they photograph.
        They don’t care that they can’t see the filament in the lightbulb in the backgorund.

        • nikolas4129

          Fair enough on the serious level of post-processing, but I’m talking about the simplest ones, i.e. adding filters that’s it, which is something many (and I’d say even most) people do on basically every picture meant for sharing on social media (I mean look at all the filters on snapchat, instagram, etc. etc.). I think every photo gallery now has filters even Microsoft galleries lol. Sure most of the photos that stay on Google Photos or Apple photos stay as-is, but any pics worth sharing almost always gets at least the “Auto” treatment, if not any of the multitude of other filters. And for that, more detail is better. And btw I described Pixel’s better facial details (important), not the ‘background lightbulb filament detail’ (agreed that this not so important).
          I also would disagree that her skintone is more natural on Apple pic, I think the opposite in fact. Apples’ is heavily filtered to get that soft skintone, and the woman’s real tone is whiter and closer to that taken by the Pixel. Of course a filtered Apple pic will look better than her natural tone in the Pixel’s picture, that’s precisely why people use filters (to improve the original pic!!). Apple is just doing it automatically for you, but forcing one particular filter that they deemed best, you have no choice in the matter, and lose facial details in the process.

    • wijerje

      I totally agree with you, iPhoneography is another world for android things, when compare against iPhone samples, it kinds of invites humiliation.

  • Reed Riley

    Please explain why the 5lux picture of the man in the hat is very blury for the iPhone 8+ in the Pixel 2 comparison, however when you go the the review of the iPhone 8+, that picture is crystal clear: https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested-2/

    • Duel

      It was from video..

  • HDN900

    Nokia 8, Sony XZ1 / Compact, LG V30 ?! And others like Motorola, OnePlus, Huawei, Xiaomi ?

    • Lucidfeuer

      Not paying DxO

    • flodxomark

      Thank you for your suggestion. We try and test as many phones as possible with our new protocol. There are many to come, so please holding on!

      • S.H.U.R.O.

        When you will test Xperia XZ1…?

        • flodxomark

          Hello, we can only advise you to stay tuned, as we’re not communicating about the road map in advance.
          Thank you for your understanding and patience.

  • Gieffe22

    there are a few errors here too… but almost here is not as biased than the iphone 8 ones

  • alireza_asol

    dxo please consider fov of cameras
    pixel has much wider fov than pixel 2 and iphone 8 and you captured from same distance and it’s not correct

    • Prime

      It’s just the portrait mode I think. To match what Samsung and Apple is doing. The pixel 2 portrait mode is way ahead of the original pixel, and for a single lens it’s doing such a good job, now I wish Apple has pixel AI to do an even better job in their portrait mode, and for now only pixel is doing a good selfie bokeh which is killer. Mate 10 will do it, so will the x

  • REM

    At this level all the phone camera photos look great. Pure Android is the fastest but unfortunately Google Pixel got rid of Miracast so it wouldn’t compete with it’s Chromecast. If you lose wifi you can’t mirror phone screen to TV.

    Samsung, LG and I believe I phone does allow this.

    • Imparus

      You really don’t know much about Miracast. Miracast is a mess, since they weren’t good at defining the standard most miracast devices doesn’t work with each other, and overall it often is just as buggy as DLNA was. It is a shame that the same mistakes were repeated for Miracast, since it on a theoretical plan should have been mirror phone screen to TV, but man did they fuck it up.

      • REM

        I didn’t realize that. Better to use an HDMI cable then.

  • garbageguy

    low light photo of pixel 2 seems to be misfocused on wires in the background, effectively blurring out her face and hair and allowing all sorts of fun artifacts on it (good job, tester), iphone 8 pic looks great though

    • 薛男

      can’t agree more.

  • sayem quazi

    When you come to a review about a product review to discuss another product, you are a fan.
    When you are fan, a true fan, you become biased.
    When you become biased, you shouldn’t talk about your opinion like it’s fact.

    The pictures look great. I love the reviews from DXO simply because it’s not only “X looks better than Y” rather it’s *closer* to a science. They’re all great cameras. It’s a picture, there’s bound to be preferences.

    • Please enter your name.
      • sayem quazi

        What am I intended to get out of that? That there’s are people out there that think DXO is bs? Well I don’t think that needs to be said. His entire premise is wrong in that DXO is trying to make it look scientific. The ratings go over 100 and don’t have a finite end to it. They’re just reviewing trying to keep things consistent. And according to that guy, art shouldn’t be rated, yet we live in a world where all entertainment is rated. I see no different between those reviews and this.

        • Lucidfeuer

          That you’re an incredibly stupid fuck who would swallow the spit from Monsanto’s CEO. DxO lost ALL, and I mean all credibility are the most biased review website there now exist. You’re one of the few stupid shill out there.

      • Gualtiero Saderis

        can’t agree more

      • YusufIslam

        You must be a fanboy. Read Sayem’s word again and let that sink for a bit.

  • wuxo

    Only phone camera that is near DSLR is Legendary Nokia 808! Others are just kids games

    • Frost

      Nokia’s Pure View was amazing!

    • maratt

      I still feel my Lumia 950XL is better than most phones, after having compared the photos on a computer with Galaxy S7, Pixel, etc.
      Pixel beats it in low light, but with 20 megapixel, day time photos in it is simply more usable.

    • LeMuffin

      Except when you need to take pics of kids. Then no game.

      • Rob Beijendorf

        The Lumia 1020 camera module coupled with a modern SOC would be amazing. Especially since I imagine they can shrink it down even further nowadays. No more excessive lag for the processor to capture and store the image.

        • Raven Ridge

          Yeah those were the exciting days for photography enthusiasts, when Nokia was launching it’s legendary 808 and 1020.
          Too bad there isn’t a company that really tried to break past the mobile photography levels these days, nobody produces a true photography enthusiast smartphone like Nokia did back in the day.

          • Weneklek

            wish i was able to jump in during the 1020 days. Still very curious how that camera performed in real world situations. Up to this day i still see reviews popping up with 1020 vs modern flagship camera phones.

  • oplix

    you know these reviews are paid and sponsored when they have a review the same day the phone is announced.

    • ansoncool

      nah it doesnt say anything… medias always get samples from phone company before its out, so it got time to test it and write a review about it. this doesnt mean it got paid by the phone company.. if you feel like the reviews are biased, show your proof that which phone’s camera is better than this one.

      • Mallik Babu

        100% these are paid reviews. Soon they will give 105 and 110 for pixle xl 3 phones next year out of 100. If these are not paid reviews why dont you rate LG V30 phone which was released long back and available in market? LG V30 is having best 1.6 aperture till the date.

        • ansoncool

          i dont know where is this hate coming from… did u use the pixel 1 camera before? is it a bad camera? this has all the datas and shit.. like i said, if you dont agree, just give your own data and make your point.
          LG V30 has the biggest aperture, thats good, but for phone camera, I think the software is more important.. from the reviews i read already, the low light situation is not as good as samsung galaxy.. with biggest aperture, thats ironic right?

          • iwanme

            Look ar the Nokia 808 review and see what they did there.

          • ansoncool

            can u give more details?

          • iwanme

            Just read the review and look a the comments. Xenon flash rated worse than even poor led setups, photos done in 5MPx mode and zoomed instead of using native resolution or even 8Mpx oversampling. Poor score for good light detail reproduction where even to naked eye it’s much better than a lot of phones with score significantly higher and so on.

            I get it, 808 is old outdated phone missing many features, video quality is behind modern cameraphones but its photo score is so biased that it even looks funny. It’s similar what they did with one of the Sony Z series phone (i don’t remember exactly) it got the highest score in its time but the camera was clearly below average of the flagship smartphones.

  • I am the Egg Man

    Which camera sensors do the Pixel 2 have?

    • Curious Donnie

      Sony IMX378 I think !

      • eemix

        Nope!! 378 was Pixel’s 1..

  • Curious Donnie

    They are all using SONY Cameras with different versions ! 😉 This is more like Sony vs. Sony !

    • Nymenon

      Sensor isn’t everything. HDR+ is the game changer here.

      • Curious Donnie

        True.. also the Lens!

        • Ezzy

          So what you’re saying that it’s a sum of many parts. Is someone actually surprised?

          • Curious Donnie

            Yes.. but the main part is the sensor that gather information of them all.. which made by the same company to all !

  • Aleks Rabrenovich

    OK, I am clearly uneducated here, but how do you get to a score of 99 on photo, when no single subscore is higher than 98? A few are below 50. That is some higher level math, I guess.

    • Matthew Langley

      It’s apparently not an average, it’s a total scaled somehow down to a number. It seems some of the sub-scores are weighted somehow.

    • Chuphan

      The math works like this: Add all the subscores, plus lots of cash and you get 99.

      • PI

        lamo

      • JeffColorado

        Yeah, because the other tech sites totally don’t trade review scores for cash or favors, amirite?

      • buddy

        ROFL!

    • Try to compare it with iPhone 8 score, and it’s also the same, not because some money works actually

  • chen

    I closely examined these sample shots and compared them to the iPhone 8 Plus ones. I think I can agree that in low light situations, of static scenes, the Pixel 2 does seem to be able to do a better job. However, zoom is clearly inferior, portrait mode is clearly inferior, the lens flares significantly, and the colors I don’t think are as good as the iPhone 8 and Note 8. I don’t see these add up to a higher score than both of those other phones.

    • Well you see the zoom score also better in iPhone 8 plus
      But for me the color is more accurate in Pixel 2 XL tbh

      • heh heh

        You have to see the object yourself in real life before you can say anything about color accuracy :DDD

      • macmanred

        So you want to say that the model really looks like a Zombie in real life? Because in the Pixel Images she looks like one. In the Images from the iPhone 8+ she looks more natural.

      • tnt

        You assume that cooler / flatter is more accurate, but only DXO could really tell us which is more accurate. It’s likely somewhere in between the two.

  • vanguy79

    Oh it’s obvious Google paid dxomarks. Lol Jk. I don’t care about which brands. I am just glad in this age of smartphones, all are equally good at photos and videos.

  • Tito Rodriguez

    i believe those pic weren’t taking from the same exact angle, i believe the picture change so drastically and every aspect. this guy puts a lots of technical words to sound very smart. i take pictures and i can see how some of this photos has different focus, so the bottom line is go to the store and test each devise and please come back and let me know.

    • ansoncool

      wtf are u talking about lol… why are u coming to this website..

  • Roberto Carlone

    Still waiting for a phone that beats my Huawei P9 Plus in texture, noise and artifacts (85, 83, 87). Those are the areas I care for the most

  • Eims

    The bokeh effect always tend to blur and leave a wrong sharp area I guess. Compared to other dual camera handphones. Hm…

  • 嘲笑鸟

    明年上双摄那不得满分了,强烈建议老郭来一个,系统新,防黑客会好点,前置赞,直播杠杠的

    • 曾梦 ✊️ ✊️

      哈哈,在这里碰见战友🤝,七哥必胜!

    • 我的狗从来没有偷过那个卷饼。

    • cx9822

      据说满分是250,差远了

  • davidletterboyz

    All these scores are meaningless. What this page is doing is essentially trying to quantify mobile camera performance via qualitative tests. No scientific measurement at all except the video test. Each reviews are using different tests and samples. How is that fair?

  • Some way of life.

    I’m confused by your statement about “wide angle distortions” for digitally zoomed portraits. If you stand the same distance from your subject and digitally zoom so they fill the frame as if you used a telephoto, they will look the same perspective wise. When most people talk about wide angle distortion, they are referring to perspective. Wide angles encourage photographers to get too close to the subject for portraits. Digitally zooming, or cropping in post, allows you to shoot from a more flattering distance. Of course the resolution will suffer if you digitally zoom or crop, but the perspective will be fine.

    • Andrey Balandin

      Wide angle lenses (unlike normal angle / portrait lenses) in addition to changing the perspective also suffer from varying degrees of barrel distortion which makes the middle of the image bulge outwards toward the edges. Straight vertical lines would form a shape of a barrel, hence the name. (Conversely, telephoto lenses may suffer from pincushion distortion) Barrel distortion can be corrected with software by warping the image inwards toward the center at the expense of cropping the corners. Apparently, when zooming Pixel 2 does not correct for barrel/wide angle lens distortion correctly or at all.

      • Some way of life.

        Barrel distortion has little effect on a person in the middle of the frame even when there is no software correction. I’ve shot with some ultrawides over the years that had plenty of distortion at the widest end. It’s often only noticeable when you have straight lines… not so much for people and landscapes. Besides, most cameras and phones these days use software to correct barrel, pincushion, and even moustache/wavy distortion. I’m shocked the Pixel doesn’t, but that’s an issue more for architecture and horizons. None of that would come into play when shooting a portrait with a wide angle from 5 or 10 feet and then cropping.

        Try this with a zoom lens: Use a tripod from a fixed distance of say 6 feet. You need to make sure the camera is fixed to avoid tilting it more on one shot than the other. Use a doll or action figure or a melon… anything that won’t move. Take a telephoto shot and then a wide angle. Crop the wide angle on your computer so the field of view matches the telephoto. Aside from it being lower resolution, there will no difference between the two shots. No distortion in one that isn’t in the other. I believe the reviewer was speaking of the way people think wide angles exaggerate facial features. That’s the distance and angle between camera and subject… not the focal length. Now if you try the same thing, but put your subject in the corner of the wide angle frame, you might see some effects of barrel distortion.

        • Andrey Balandin

          There is distortion however small, and there’s no need to argue about it. DXo seems to find these distortions significant enough to be worth mentioning. They will be more pronounced the closer or more off-center is the subject.
          You should do the test you mentioned on Pixel 2 when you get it.
          I notice barrel distortion on faces with wide angle phone cameras very and I root for optical zoom or even interchangeable lenses on smartphones.

          • Some way of life.

            Fair enough, but I probably won’t get the Pixel 2. I’m not defending the single lens/focal length approach, other than to say that I’m sure Pixel 2 owners will get some perfectly nice portraits as long as they shoot from a flattering distance and crop. I just felt that particular statement in the review was not put in a entirely accurate way. He didn’t actually say what kind of distortion he was referring to. Perspective? Barrel?

    • Probably worth reading this tutorial on volume deformation, which explains quite a bit: http://www.dxo.com/us/photography/tutorials/understanding-volume-deformation.

    • That’s a fair description, but the loss of resolution, and the need for the extra step of cropping are downsides. The point is that if you simply “point and shoot” the framing you want for a portrait, a typical smartphone lens is going to give you more volume deformation than if you have the option of doing it with a longer focal length lens. You also get somewhat better subject isolation with the latter (even without a specialized mode). Those are two of the reasons that slightly longer lenses are favored by portrait photographers using standalone cameras.

  • Mallik Babu

    Paid site with fake reviews. Shuttttttttttt with your ratings.

    • darkknightxiii

      Haha butthurt iFag

      • David S Kalonick

        haha

    • phinn

      Meanwhile Google, Samsung, and Apple all quote their ratings so at least they aren’t biased. Pixel 2 is clearly the best rated camera yet.

  • Mallik Babu

    Pixel xl 3 will have 105 ratings out of 100 next year

    • hahah, Exactly

    • Xdadevet

      It’s not out of 100 you tone deaf nut sphincter. They specifically mentioned it in the review.

    • It’s not out of 100, and there are already cameras scoring above 100.
      Otherwise, I like your sacarsm.

  • Chris

    Well I’m not sure why they are claiming the Pixel 2 is the best when clearly the iPhome 8 plus is beating it in most of these test..
    Oh “that’s because it has dual camera”.. well so does every other phone on the market these days.

    • phazelag

      Agreed

  • Jay Hernandez

    I don’t believe anything unless I do my own experiments, can I borrow your girlfriend?

  • phazelag

    I really was hoping for something remarkable from the Pixel 2, however, the Apple and Samsung photos are more pleasing in many ways. This review is making me question DXO’s ability to be impartial or see with their eyeballs. I appreciate this site overall, but this review is not close to useful. The score, no matter how justified, is misleading. The Pixel images here are not impressive.

    • TheBasicMind

      Agreed. Weighted scoring systems rendering a single score give a nice headline, but the category selection and weighting’s that render a final score are always going to be highly subjective, even if the techniques for scoring within each category are rigorous and scientifically applied. When you use weighted scoring techniques for e.g. vendor selection, it is usually the act of applying a scoring that leads you to understand who your preferred vendor is rather than the final score.

    • Yo Homie

      Agreed. WHAT is up with that over sharpening/blotchyness. Look at that tree picture. P2’s is so gaudy, it doesn’t leave you with anything for the user in their own post work… You can actually see the shaded leaves in the U11s, and it wouldn’t be difficult to craft U11’s photo to look similar to P2’s in terms of toning the brightness down in the sky and bricks. But, DXO says that the P2 has amazing detail preservation in light and dark shadows? What? lol, where?! P2’s photo of that tree looks like something from an overly contrasted and saturated horror show rather than anything that’s pleasing to look at. Good grief. Good luck finding any detail to bring out from that tree and trying to get rid of those intense blacks inside of it. Awful. I’m so confused by DXO’s high praises. They’re overanylizing the minute details and seem to have completely glazed over the glaring issues.

      I am happy that my Pixel phone camera is still a great camera. … I
      will commend the P2’s flash, though. That is quite impressive.

      But damnit, That first picture of the tree is hideous. I had to look at the file naming to make extra sure that DXO didn’t tag the photos wrong…. I’d rate the camera in around 90… definitely not a 98.

      Google paid way too much for this rating just to put “best rated camera. again” on their website. Even if Google didn’t pay for this rating, and this is actually an honest rating from DXO, I still wouldn’t agree with it. It just seems way off on too many important things. But to their credit, they do bring up good points about other things.

      But damn. Again. That tree. Garbage. You can’t work with an image like that in post.

      • Miguel Russo

        I had the exact same impression on that photo (htc 11 vs pixel 2) and i agree with you that the score seems to be a bit too high. They saying the pixel has less noise than the last pixel but in my opinion it looks that it as or the same or even more.

      • Deshi

        I agree that the HTC photo there does look better than the pixel 2, not sure whats up there. Seems like the contrast was up to much on that scene. The pixel 2 though does have more detail than pretty much all the Iphone 8 photos in this review. As a photographer myself, Its easier to take a high detail photo, and convert it to what apple has as default in post processing (if thats what you want), than it is to go the other way around. Apple chooses to have softer more pleasing images at the expense of the detail. (which is probably the right choice for their target audience) Depends on what you want I guess. IMO the Pixel 2 photos look closer to my DSL camera results than the Iphone ones.

        • MS_Scorpio

          The HTC U11 pic looks better than the Pixel 2 picture for sure. I’m surprise how these score higher than the U11.

    • ly darapisith

      Agree ,pixel has alittle good

    • Müdür

      And also it doesn’t have 4k 60fps option for video like iphone plus.

  • phazelag

    The test chart doesn’t tell the whole story. The real world pixel photos, have cool white balance and nasty bokeh.

  • M8K4

    this phone has a shit camera. smaller pixel and fewer pixels. image processor is on average with other phone. only difference is the camera software. download this software and the galaxy and lg phone would deffinelty beat this crap phone in a camera test.

    • Bas D. Nissen
    • mlj11

      David had a shit body. Shorter legs and less reach. Athleticism was on average with other men. Only difference was his brain. Transplant his brain and Goliath would definitely have beaten this crap guy in a fight.

    • Jacob Jexmark

      It’s a shitty camera but still beats the competition.

      And what you really are saying is that Samsung and LG sucks at software. Like we didn’t already know….

    • Jan-Edwin Maneschijn

      If this is not the best sensor at this moment (except for software), which do you consider the best sensor available at this moment?

  • Jack Tsui

    for you guys reference:below is the score of photo without flash , zoom , bokeh
    Note8: 76.17 U11:76.67 Pixel:75.5 Ip8+: 74.33 pixel2: 79.117

  • Felix Fabian

    How can the camera have an 99 overall rating if no categorie has more than 95 points?

    • Google is paying much more than any other 😉 Money makes the mare go

    • Jacob Jexmark

      The total score is not an average of the others. *yawn*

      • Felix Fabian

        The test results are very intransparent for people who just want to have a quick look about the camera test.
        You will se a 99 overall rating and think that the camera ist just perfect. But if you read the full test you will see that the iPhone 8 Plus is much better in some categories. For me the rating is not intersubjectively understandable. (PS: I know, that DXOMARK explains the rating but for me it’s still not good.)

  • Lucidfeuer

    DxO lost all credibility, and any article I see with them mentioned has fortunately only people aware of that. The only way to have some sort of “maybe you can get relevant information” is for you to re-test the Galaxy S/Notes phones, which everyone owning several smartphones and cameras knows are the ones that fare best.

    • tnt

      Legit question – why have they lost credibility? I see a lot of hate for DXO, but have no idea where it comes from.

      • Lucidfeuer

        DxO advertise themselves as being a consumer scoring company, which means they have a (legal) responsibility in being as informative and neutral as possible in the way they grade cameras, which used to be more or less the case.

        Recently, right after the Galaxy S8/Note release, and right before the iPhone 8/X releases (how convenient) they decided to change their scoring system in a way that is not justified scientifically or in terms of tools and matrices, and gave ridiculous high results that anyone knows are fake, at a convenient time which can only suggest they’re either completely biased for brand dotation or straight-up paid off by company, which means they’re lying to consumers while pretending to provide them with critical informations…

        Hence the deserved and necessary hate.

  • Aki Raula

    I would like to see more systematic real-life test shots. For example the bokeh shots in the cafe aren’t really comparable as (for example) the pillar, which is hard to isolate/render, is in different places in different camera shots. Perhaps include a chart of some sort behind the person being photographed, for the shots to be more apples-to-apples. 🙂

  • Dr. Stephen Falken

    OMG whatever the result some people complain. Go somewhere else if you don’t trust DxO
    [Edit] Why do all my post go directly to waiting for approval?

    • flodxomark

      Dear Stephen, sorry to keep you waiting for approval. The moderation tool may be find you something suspicious in your sentences. But we solved that. You’re free to express yourself ! Regards

      • Dr. Stephen Falken

        Oh that’s quite alright, I was just surprised because I couldn’t find anything that the general automatic filter should block.
        [edit] Hmm, there seems to be something wrong here 🙁 My account works well in other disqus sites, including my own 🙂

        • flodxomark

          Dear Steven, it should be ok now. I’ll stay tuned if somethings is wrong again. Thanks

          • Dr. Stephen Falken

            Just a test then 🙂

          • Dr. Stephen Falken

            @flodxomark:disqus Now it works 🙂

          • Koka Psyche

            Du Hurensohn

  • Athar Rajpoot

    Please do LG v30 as well.

    • flodxomark

      Dear Athar, thank you for your suggestion. We try and test as many phones as possible with our new protocol. There are many to come, so please holding on!

  • Duel

    amazing quality from both iPhone 8 plus and pixel 2 XL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn8TPf3C0vo it looks like those came from same camera, well they kind a did 😉

    and when you look this pixel 2 XL vs Note 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiVbqOwkTHM you see how bad white balance is with Note 8. All the shots are yellow.

    • 🇦🇺Marshall

      Mmm, salty.

    • tnt

      I don’t really understand. The results in their comparison (to the 8+) are the opposite of DXO’s and what we’ve seen in samples from other sites. The Pixel’s are lighter in every shot, as opposed to dimmer and a little more flat.

  • GK

    photos are saturated indeed from the pixel 2…

  • Müdür

    It doesn’t have 4k 60 fps option for video. So it isn’t better than iphone 8 plus. But i prefer android over ios…

    • SpeakingTruth

      And is not compared to the S8 which also has the 60fps

      • Abhishek Yadav

        S8 dont have 60fps
        n why u need 60fps! 60fps dont have stabliaztation as of now in any of camera’s not even in go pro Hero6

        • Jam005

          Take a look at LGV30. By far the best smartphone on the planet for video. With “optical image stabilization” yes optical. At 60fps its super wide angle where stabilization is less needed. And who makes the Pixel 2. Of course, LG. LGV30 is the better phone.

        • SpeakingTruth

          Just checked mine. I have FHD(60fps) as an option for my video size. it is 3rd down on the list. Would send you a screen print but check yours

    • Dan Kaschel

      If you want to shoot 4k 60fps video, you should not be doing it with your phone.

      • Müdür

        If they can do, why not?

        • Dan Kaschel

          At this point it’s just a spec feature. Phone optics aren’t sensitive enough (and phone processors aren’t powerful enough) to produce half a billion high quality pixels per second. Even standard HD 60fps video is just starting to look decent on high-end devices.

  • Владимир Грачев

    Do the test with Xiaomi mi5s imx378, please!

    • Ruslan K

      +1, really wanna see test of this smartphone!
      This camera replaced my mirrorless one 🙂 for everyday photos it perfect ^_^

    • flodxomark

      Thank you for your suggestion. We try and test as many phones as possible with our new protocol, please stay tuned !

  • Xda pro

    Fuck dxomark fuck troll david cardinal.

    Xz1 have best camera anda video stabilitation

    https://youtu.be/HkeJ8ERa93U

  • Adi Omari

    I’m an android fan, but according to the observations I can make from the review, the iphone camera looks better by a good margin. Colors, bokeh,noise, lens almost everything looks better in the iphone photos, so the final score is surprising! The pixel 2 seems overrated to me, it has a lot of flaws (the pictures are over processed, colors are better on the iphone, noise is visible in dark conditions, lens is bad for portraits, effects that do not work), I think it is overrated in this review and does not deserve the high 98 score.

    • joepiedepoepie

      Did you see the same photos as I did? The iPhone’s photos are oversaturated, lowlight pictures are way worse etc…
      No the Pixel 2 has clearly the better camera.

      • Adi Omari

        Please take a look at the portrait photos (indoor, indoor low light and outdoor), the difference is clear, iphone wins by a long shot (look at the low light portrait, look at it also in full size to see the difference in noise). When it comes to the lab photos however, you are right, the pixel 2 wins. This makes me question this whole review and the score as well. The noise performance and color reproduction by the iphone 8 in the portraits look much better, where the lab tests show a different story.

    • Deshi

      The apple photos seem warmer and more natural, which is probably why they look better to you. But the Pixel camera photos have far more detail , more dynamic range (although at times can appear too contrasty for me) and actually more accurate colors. They actually look more like they were taken by A DSL camera than the Apple ones do.

      • Jam005

        However you know that they aren’t. Therefore, if what you see isn’t pleasing to the eyes, detail become irrelevant. It’s not as if the average person is going to download their phone pics into Adobe LR or Capture One. The LGV30, not yet analyzed by DXOMark does a better job at both. Detail and processing.

      • tnt

        “…and actually more accurate colors.”

        But unless you were there, you don’t actually know that…

  • Xda pro

    Paymark

  • “One issue worth noting about single-camera devices such as the Pixel 2
    is that digitally zooming images after the fact does not reduce
    wide-angle distortions that are particularly visible in portraits.
    Devices with a secondary tele-camera, such as the Galaxy Note 8 or
    iPhone 8 Plus, are better in this respect.”

    I don’t believe this is true. The distortion in the cropped center of a wide angle frame should be similar to a telephoto frame.

    • Max Rockbin

      I think this is partially true. The parallax effect of a wide angle lens (when you get really close to the subject and the nose looks big) is NOT going to appear with digital zoom. If you shoot wide angle and telephoto from the same position and crop (aka digital zoom) to show the same area of the subject, you won’t have that effect. That’s caused by the position of camera vs subject and not the optics.

      HOWEVER: Some wide angles (fish eyes most obviously – but many extreme wide angle lenses) distort lines so they appear curved. IF they don’t they have to enlarge things at the edges of the image. That just has to happen – like the distortions in map projections that make Greenland look huge. Either you get curves or you get scale distortions. When you crop the image (again – basically digital zoom) at the edges where you have either type of distortion, you’re going to see it in the crop vs a telephoto shot of that same area. A curved line won’t straighten.

      • Some way of life.

        All true, but I doubt the Pixel 2 has enough distortion to be noticeable in a digitally zoomed portrait. I’ve used ultrawides that have some significant barrell or moustache/wavy distortion to take group photos before, and as long as people are away from the edges of the frame distortion isn’t an issue and perspective will be fine as long as the shot is taken from a flattering distance and the camera is squared/leveled properly to avoid the parallax effect.

        I agree that this statement in the review is vague and misleading. What kind of wide-angle distortions is the reviewer referring to, and why not show an example? I think a dual lens approach with a dedicated telephoto focal length is certainly an advantage for portraits, but I’m sure Pixel 2 owners will be able to shoot perfectly nice portraits as well… they will just lose a lot of the pixels due to cropping.

  • Michael

    Is this an iPhone 8 ad? The Google Pixel 2 looks below average in virtually every comparison even though it has a *perfect* camera. These comparisons and these numbers resonate the growing trend of a more educated market vs novice pixel-peepers. People are starting to see that the overall picture (and it’s ability to capture and hold your interest) is a lot more important than per-pixel sharpness or color accuracy.

    • CommonSenseAlGuy

      Adjust your monitor or get a new one.
      .

      • Adi Omari

        Adjust your comment or write a new one… could be an experimental bot

      • macmanred

        Maybe you should get some glasses instead.
        The model in the Pixel 2 Images almost always looks like a Zombie, the tonal balance is off, the background blur (bokeh) looks like crap.
        But hey, the Pixel preserved some more highlights in the Background, let’s give it more points for this.

  • SpeakingTruth

    The comparisons above are not consistent and quality is dependent on what you are looking for. The sometimes use the Note 8 camera but I have the S8 and the camera is far superior than the attempts above.

  • jw48335

    Does anyone else find it maddening that the exposure settings aren’t shown? The photographer in me doesn’t give a flying fart about lux. I can make up for lack of light with longer exposure, but no skill can improve ISO performance. Why doesn’t DxO provide the same breakdown as they do for cameras? They can certainly factor in the fixed-lens aspect as well, but they already have a methodology for that. This review is more frustrating than anything.

    • Arthur

      I would agree with you, but I get the impression that for this test, (and most users of smart phone cameras) they didn’t adjust exposure settings. Its all left on auto and these are the results. That is my assumption.

  • amir rashid

    PLEASE ANYONE HERE DO NOT BELIEVE DXOMARK ANYMORE FROM NOW ON.TOTALLY RUBBISH NEW TEST PROTOCOL FROM DXOMARK 2017. LINK BELOW AS A REAL PROOF:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egk2jJpPjC4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3743LdayXiA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2V25lazeBU

    • littleclown

      This is fake dude :). This is not proof at all :). Let me explain:
      01. From where some extremely unknown guy has pixel 2? :).
      02. Please look 02:08 at the first video – the photo from the concert. There are many fast moving objects – the lights, the performer, etc. How the “tester” manage to take picture on the VERY exact moment? :). They are even from the very exact point of view :).
      So this is just clickbait, and you shouldn’t re-share without thinking first 🙂

    • fra77

      I will trust DXOMArk because they are professional photographers. For years Android fans kept complaining about them when they where giving iPhone cameras high marks, now i guess the tables have turned. I will not be putting my fate in some random Youtube guy if i where you. Oh and Samsung hired a lot of Nokia guys when Nokia was sold to Microsoft. They basically have an office across the street in Finland and ever since then they have been doing well on cameras. Google Set up a whole unit dedicated to camera and that is how both caught up to apple.

      • amir rashid

        Not for me anymore from now on…

  • Rajat Dhiman

    Hey !
    Please retest the One Plus 5 , and how the photo and video scores are calculated from the sub scores when there is not a single score above 98 so how these scores are calculated (99 and 96 respectively ) . Can you please elaborate the procedure.
    Thank You.

  • NonRandom

    Would love to see a comparison of the Pixel 2 and LG V30, or just an LG V30 review here.

    • NextHype

      V30 will be the first smartphone to get over 100 ^^

    • X X

      Never

  • tigerstown

    Wow the apple 🐑 are out in full force in these comments 😂😂😂

    • stuckyrini

      The Apple sheep are having a very difficult time dealing with this. Hahaha

      • tigerstown

        Yeah they most definitely are kinda reminds me of something else 😭😭😭😂😂😂

  • Jedro

    In what world is the Pixel 2 sharper than the 8+? Every honest person can see that the dollar bill and euro are much sharper than the pixel 2. It has a lot more details in the 8+ picture. And how the f*** did the Note8 get the same score as the 8+? Just look at the details. It’s extremely soft in the note8 pics. Please just be honest with yourselves and put your Apple hate aside. It’s freakin annoying. People can actually see what’s better…
    But thank you for the comparison pictures…I don’t have to read the text to see what images are better.

    • CommonSenseAlGuy

      Adjust your monitor or get a new one.

      • Ajay K

        LOL Somw Americans are just crazy about their love for Apple.

        • Dan Kaschel

          …You mean Google?

        • Jedro

          What about you? Drowned in Apple-Hate much?
          I’m not an American but that has nothing to do with the topic here…just FYI.
          It seems it needs to be clarified since such comments are solving the actual issue here and are very productive.

          • Ajay K

            Nah. I think it is stupid to pay so much for single sum device, Rather buy a Pixel or Huawei

      • Jedro

        I don’t have to adjust anything…everything is perfectly fine here.

        • CommonSenseAlGuy

          You’d be surprised if you haven’t calibrated your monitor.

    • John

      I don’t own, and have never owned or used, any of these i phones. In fact, I have never owned any version of any iPhone. I have never had a use for one. I still use an old Samsung phone that is turned off, except for an emergency. At 73 years of age, it’s all I need. For pictures my canon s95 and Sony a6300 are what I use. However, lately, I have been thinking of joining the new generation; so I have been reading articles such as this. And, I have to admit, looking at the images in this article with my totally inexperience, unbiased eye, this guy (Jedro) is absolutely correct.

    • Max Rockbin

      Look at the converging lines in the resolution test strip sitting on top of Lincoln in that close up. See how you can see alternating white/black at the very corner on the Pixel 2 but it’s a sort of mush on the other two phones? That’s higher resolution. There are other things besides pure resolution that make one image appear sharper than the other – like preservation of contrast and color fidelity. But just for resolving detail at this (low) light level? I don’t think you can see it two ways.

      • Jedro

        You’re right with the strip and at the first look I thought…hmm OK Pixel is sharper with more details and than I saw the bills. Just look at the details in 8+ image compared to the Pixel 2. I’m not even looking at the Note 8 pictures anymore…it’s embarrassing not just for Samsung but for DxO as well, who gave them the same score *facepalm*. Or have a look at YouTube comparisons between Note 8 and iPhone. The OIS in videos is much much better on iPhone, and then I have to laugh at Samsung and their Note 8 presentation when they compared the OIS with iPhone :D. Just watch it.
        I’m not really following you with the resolution part of your text. No one talked here about resolution. Sharpness depends almost completely (>almost< not totally, there is AF of course too) on the glass of the camera system. You can have the best DSLR with a rubbish lens and yet you won't have the sharpest and detailed picture.

        • Max Rockbin

          By resolution, I’m talking about the resolution of the final image – which depends on the lens, sensor, processing choices, and everything else. You’re right. If the sensor had a billion pixel resolution and the lens was crap, it wouldn’t matter. BUT resolution (meaning the finest detail you can see in the image) isn’t the same thing as human perceived sharpness. Apple chose to boost the contrast and clean up more noise in their image processing. That cost them some fine detail, but increased the apparent sharpness. If you’re curious, google “accutance.” It’s the technical word for the different quality we perceive as sharpness vs pure resolution. Maybe all that matters (especially if you’re not going to tweak the images before sharing) is that perceived sharpness and Apple made the smarter choice. Google (not surprisingly) made the geekier choice.

  • phinn

    Pixel 2 easily best phone camera of all time. HD OLED display. Powerful Android 8 operating system. Great build quality. OS updates from Google. Considerably cheaper than the iPhone X. Looks like we have a new phone champion here.

    • And dual front facing speakers!!

    • Suro M

      Lol ok buddy calm down.. Get your hands on a LG V30 then talk! Now that’s a phone you can label as one of the all time best!

  • Vb

    Oh

  • littleclown

    “Portraits rendered with pleasing foreground and background blur and bokeh”

    The Bokeh example in this article is a nightmare. Bokeh is not just some random blur areas. It has some logic. I know this is not most important thing in the world, but they put stress on what great dual-pixel abilities their single camera has, and dxomark has seperate score just for this.

    • Max Rockbin

      I’m surprised almost no one is making a deal about the dual-pixel sensor (it was leaked last week but the reviewers were clueless about what it even meant). In theory, it gives the Pixel2 depth info for every single pixel on the sensor. On the web there are demos of producing 3d models from dual pixel sensor data. It’s pretty likely Google is using that for their portrait mode and probably some other processing. It won’t help with tricky edge stuff like wispy hair (That’s why Apple went with their black shadowy portrait mode), but it helps with a lot of things. It’s also the reason the pixel2 focuses so fast. And, no one has had a chance to try this yet, but it probably tracks focus better than any other camera for video with a moving subject. I have a dual pixel sensor in my Canon DSLR and it’s miraculous for video.

      • simonhowes

        Dual pixel sensors have been in HTC and Samsung phones for a couple of years now. I’m guessing Google may be using a Samsung chip in the Pixel 2.

  • Max Rockbin

    Noises comparison photo (portrait w Pixel 2, Iphone 8 & Note 8): Google chose to leave more detail in the image at the cost of a more grainy appearance. Look at the hair, for example, in the Note 8 shot. ZERO detail. Just a big black area. I loaded the Pixel 2 image up in Photoshop and in the camera raw filter just played with the sliders for sharpen/noise reduction/detail and found I could get results pretty similar to the Note 8 without too much sweat. This isn’t any big analytical test, but it convinced me I’d rather have the detail from the Pixel 2. I don’t know if I’m allowed links, but if you can see this, it’s just a very QUICK test and not any precise attempt to match (re-processed pixel 2 shot in Photoshop): https://flic.kr/p/Z5QLrA
    If I’m right, the DXO noise comparison seems pretty meaningless. A manufacturer would just jack up the noise reduction to get a better rating and throw away perfectly good pixels!

    • Rui Qiang

      Dxo mobile camera test is always a joke!

    • X X

      how old are you?

  • Oguzhan

    In my opinion Some photo examples of Pixel 2 looks unnatural. Like second and third image. Machine learning exaggerated.

    • tnt

      I’d have to agree with this. That vegetation shot looks… well, just weird.

  • themak

    Was the test conducted on both the Pixel 2 and the Pixel 2 XL? If so – were there any differences in quality/consistency between the two?

    • Miko

      It should be the same specs all around. That’s what they said in their presentatioin anyway.

  • tnt

    Zoom in on any spot on the carousel and you’ll see the iPhone’s shot is sharper, while the Pixel 2’s actually has a slight blur to it. The Pixel 2 does appear to maintain a bit better detail, likely due to less post-processing. But it also looks darker/dimmer. Whether or not that’s truer to life, only the author can answer.

    • Damien

      It seems Apple have adopted the Samsung approach of sharpening images and such. Meanwhile the Note 8 is now softer with less sharpening. What’s going on?

  • Rui Qiang

    Dxo mobile camera test is always a joke! They are always blind to see losing details in Samsung phone’s camera and give it ridiculously high score.

    • MS_Scorpio

      I have the Note 8 and I am honestly very disappointed in the camera because although the photos look nice when zoomed out, once you zoom in, you can see how it loses detail compared to even my Huawei Nexus 6p, a phone that is 2 years older and was meant as a cheap temporary phone to hold me over from the Note 7 fiasco to the Note 8. The Nexus 6p captures sharper detail than the Note 8. The Note 8 only looks nice when zoomed out because of the saturated colors and oversharpening.

      • Rashad1050

        I can honestly say the same for the s8. The dynamic range is fucking trash with my s8.

      • Damien

        Have either of you ever tried shooting with HDR on or in RAW? Makes a big difference.

        • MS_Scorpio

          HDR is on by default. I don’t see an option in the camera app for RAW but then I’m comparing default/auto settings of these phones.

          • Silviu

            On? Is not auto by default?

      • Indy_sooner

        Agreed! The Nexus 6P was my best phone ever when it came to photos. I have 16×20 canvas from a nighttime photo (taken with HDR) that shows incredible detail. Funny enough, I am waiting for my Note 8 which I got primarily because of the photo mark scores so it sucks to hear that your real world scores are underwhelming. I need a headphone jack so the iPhone and Pixel XL are automatically out

        • MS_Scorpio

          Don’t worry, the Note 8 is not a bad phone. It’s the first Samsung phone I’ve own that does not lag and does not have any problems. All my previous Galaxy flagships were plagued with stuttering and severe bugs. I guess Samsung finally got their QC upto par with the Note 8. The camera is better than the stock Nexus 6P camera. The Nexus 6P using the stock camera is really lacking in the HDR department. The Nexus 6P with the modded NX Camera app is still not necessarily better than the Note 8 but just captures more detail than the Note 8 camera which is obvious when you zoom in on the image. Because I’m a structural engineer that use the camera for my conditional assessment work, the extra detail captured by the Nexus 6P over the Note 8 is a big deal. But for the average user who don’t need to zoom in on their photos, the Note 8 has probably the better camera than the 6P considering it focuses faster and has OIS so is more forgiving for the average person. However, the Note 8 cost more than twice as much as the Google/Huawei 6P that is two years older, which is just sad.

          • Indy_sooner

            Thanks for the response! I tried it in the store against the iPhone 8 and it was fantastic screen. Like you I am looking to use it for productivity enhancement for a few years. On paper, OIS is a good thing, so if it can take good pictures, I will be happy.

  • Hasan Ahmad

    iPhone 8 Plus rated 94: How much did Apple pay DxO. I will never trust DxO again, their tests aren’t even accurate. they are fake.

    Pixel 2 rated 98. See? this shows Pixel 2 is the best camera out there and its not even a competition.Its DxO and they test in the most professional way.

    • Andri Kurniawan

      Good observation, buddy! Tired of seeing fanboyism comments here.

    • Pelle Dynnes Nunan

      Yeah.. new iPhones got 4K @ 60fps video recording.. this one only has 4K @ 30fps.. HUUUUUUGE minus in quality and should affect the score REALLY much.. But not even a mention about it..

    • Damien

      Nice cherry picking of comments there. I see plenty people questioning this “review” also. As should you..

  • Jam005

    And neither phones can handle video as does the LGV30. An entirely differently level.

  • CAL_08

    Is there a reason the LG V30 hasn’t been tested yet? It seems like there’s odd timing with LG waiting until the Pixel was announced before releasing the V30 to go on sale so I’m curious since they had their hands involved with that how the V30 scores. It would be disappointing to find out if it scores at or better than the Pixel 2 because it would seem as though DXOmark would be working with Google on building it up.

    • Damko

      If LG pays to DXO then they have a chance to get good results. Otherwise, probably 89-90 range….

      • sensi

        It seems that a triggered fanboi is in full libel mode. Care to substantiate your claim/slander? Crickets.

        • Damko

          Whaaa?

    • X X

      because LG V30 pictures are oversharpened+200, oversaturated, etc.

      • Damien

        You talk about LG V30 photos being oversharpened yet look at the iPhone 8 vs iPhone 7. Clearly there is Samsung-esque sharpening now taking place. To the point it looks like S7 photos only less oversaturated…

  • pao

    This getting out of hand. DXO should get back to their roots. Most flagship smartphones can shoot in RAW. Please start doing your reviews by using RAW. All these noise versus detail including WB is affected by the camera software.

    • tnt

      Maybe so, but they’re trying to (understandably) cater to the general public who couldn’t care less about RAW, they just want the best output in the simplest/fastest way possible.

      • ZoubIWah

        they do do that well honestly, but they present themselves as a reference for image quality which is what surprises people.

        this is not it. this is a test of “getting a small pic that isnt blurry and includes the details i want in the picture to post on instagram to my friends even if it is as the cost of the image not being of technically higher quality”

        and that’s the problem really. you can’t claim these mobile tests to be both, and or even remotely imply it, or even.. EVEN let people infer it.

  • Timothy Aghan

    This is all really getting into wine snob type of behavior.. seems to me if you want good photos from a phone.. buy any of them!!

    • X X

      iPhone X

  • Pelle Dynnes Nunan

    I just want to hear about 4K @ 30fps – is okay to record at all the time? Should I just record at 1080p @ 60fps? Should I only record at 4K if people are going to watch it on a 4K TV? Most Social media sites I upload to make the quality worse so I really need the original video to be at best quality as possible but if it’s going to lag or stutter it’s an issue.

    • kyoukai82

      Correct. Since you mainly upload to social media (which reduces quality) and don’t want lag/stutter, 1080p @ 60 fps should be the one you use. Only use 4K @ 30 fps if you have a screen that can display it, eg. 4KTV, or you want to edit it afterwards with best quality (best still need to edit using a 4K screen to actually ‘fully see’ the extra details of 4K video). The drawback is that it is only recording at 30 fps so scenes with lots of motion will have motion blur and may look worse than the 60 fps one. However, for normal low motion videos that you want a ‘perfect’ recording/memory of, you should use 4K (also ‘future-proofs’ your video as more and more consumers are moving to 4K screens). However, this is just my opinion and other people might say differently.

    • yurieu

      4k on 1080p screen look SO MUCH better than 1080p on 1080p. Check on youtube. But 60fps is so pleasing to eyes.

  • Damko

    I am woundering how DxO will test and rate cameras once 100 is reached?

    • Dennis Ulijn

      They just keep counting up… There’s no reason whatsoever for this 98 score. It’s not an average of subscores or any other logic, so I don’t see this as a 98/100, but a 98.

    • flodxomark

      Hello. Our test scores go from 0 to infinity. So, here is nothing magical about the score of 100, and no reason that other device can’t go past it. We’re sure the time will come when they do!

  • You’re taking photos wrong.

    Sorry iT@rds.

    • X X

      Troll detected

  • VulpineMac

    I am forced to strongly disagree with the extremely over-rated numbers on the Pixel 2. While it does do some things better than other phones, its drawbacks give the other phones the advantage in many common photo scenarios; even the reviewer acknowledged this. So no, the Pixel 2 does NOT deserve a 98 and only barely deserves a 94, putting it on par with Samsung’s and Apple’s cameras.

    • Steve

      About the tests. I think to a lot of people, absolute picture quality is most important. What is important, is to look at the axis, dynamic range, noise and accuracy in seperate plots over light range and gain. The other thing is pixel format, bit depth and accuracy at different datarates. At the moment a lot is rubbish, but to compete these things have to increase. These things will quickly show you things before you worry about bells and whistles that help you shoot.

      One “bell” and is the artificial bokeh and such forth. To get better accuracy, and to see around features more, needs more than a single little lens, it needs IMAX larger medium format spacing, and more than two lens. Bokeh is shaped from many axises. He industry has missed it, and Apple hasn’t even released its 4 lens version.

      • VulpineMac

        So-called “bokeh” was once nothing but a very simple depth-of-field effect of focusing in an SLR with a wide-open iris and very fine focusing on the subject. A standard 50-mm lens could offer an excellent “bokeh” effect that has gradually become lost as we go to smaller cameras with smaller lenses that, even with their good light-gathering ability (low f-stop numbers) simply don’t have the size to create the same effect, so has to be generated in software.

  • Dolan

    How are you even rating these pics.. The HTC U11 pic has better detail and colour balance than the Pixel 2 in the comparison you posted above. The Pixel 2 image is way too dark and contrasty, though it captures more details in the dark parts of the scene. I can only think that your rating is subjective, but you’re using numbers to make it all look “scientific”.

    And actually, in most of the pics from the iPhone8-Pixel2 comparison, it seems to me the image quality is better on the iphone pics, but I admit this is just my subjective point of view. I could find some numbers to make it all look sciencey, though. 😉

    • X X

      True. iPhone pictures look better.

      • William Ross

        The iPhone pictures look better because they’ve been doing a trick with pictures since forever and that is the color shift to yellow makes images look brighter. In actuality, they are not accurate representations of the scene at all. But, people, in general, prefer images with a yellow color shift. I prefer the colors to be accurate even if slightly under exposed as I know post editing can get me a near perfect result.

        • Adam Catalyst

          You are right and wrong. Yes, the Apple images have a more appealing and consistent temperature, most likely less accurate, but while the Pixel images likely have more accurate and complex depictions of colour temperatures, the tonal mapping is weaker on them. There is no way you can get those midtones back in the higher contrast Pixel images, just the same way you can’t get the diversity of temperatures back in the iPhone images. But more importantly for me, the amount of downright inaccurate and illogical effects processing in the Pixel images make them unusable. There is no way to unmake all the crap baked into hose image. No way to correct depth-of-field that doesn’t obey physics.

    • macmanred

      I agree. The tonal balance in the iPhone pictures look better to me. Just look at the indoor exposure test with the Girl in the foreground and the lights in the background. DxO only looked on the preserved highlights in the Background – while the model looks like a Zombie. In practice I prefer a balanced exposed model, even if there are some blown out highlights in the background.

      • William Ross

        That response goes to show how little you know about photography. The reason the under exposed shot is actually better is because it’s easy to restore the under exposed areas through post editing, but when a shot is over exposed the information is lost. You can’t post edit and get a better image.

        • tnt

          All true, but 99% of the general public won’t care – they want the best looking picture in the easiest way possible. Historically iPhones have been more true to life, but they’ve taken a page out of Samsung’s book with the 8/8 Plus.

    • Саша

      Realy true … HTC U11 pic. on first page is better then Pixel2.
      iPhone8 картинки большая часть смотрится не хуже, а то и лучше чем у Pixel2 …Разница конечно не такая ощутимая, но с точки зрения конечного результата для простого пользователя куда интереснее смотрятся фотки с айфона … хотя может с профессиональной точки зрения фото от Pixel2 более натуральных цветов …

    • mazty

      Look again. The difference in color between the two photos is obvious with the sky and tiles being washed out in the HTC photo. I think 90% of the problem with the comments here is that people are whining about the outcome while using uncalibrated monitors to view the photos.

      • tnt

        But calibrated to what? Only the author knows which photos are truer to life.

        • mazty

          lolwat
          Calibrated to industry standards

          • tnt

            I know, but you get my point. Industry standards or not, nobody can tell which one is more accurate to real life except the eyes that took the photos.

      • Adam Catalyst

        I’m using calibrated equipment, and can say in most (but not all) cases, the iPhone 8 plus examples have more detail (albeit more noise), more colour information (albeit lower contrast, but superior depth), and way less processing artifacts. This is plainly obvious on my best equipment and worst equipment. I don’t believe any amount of calibrating would suddenly make the Pixel images not look like they were photoshopped by an amateur.

      • Adam Catalyst

        Do you honestly not see the terrible HDR halo-ing in the Pixel sky? You can darken the HTC sky in Photoshop, you can’t easily remove the junk artifacts the Pixel injects into the image.

        • mazty

          Having to go into photoshop and alter a photo is insane – with that amount of work you could easily remove the artifacts. In fact you just photoshop any image into a far better one because you’re doctoring the photo to what you want.

      • MS_Scorpio

        I totally agree the HTC U11 pic looks better than the Pixel 2 pic. Infact, the U11 camera is better than the Iphone 8 and Note 8 by far.
        https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idPhone1=8505&idPhone2=8630&idPhone3=8131
        Look at this comparison and compare the text on the map and the fabric textures and you can see how the U11 camera is on another level compared to the Note 8 and Iphone 8 yet it scores only a 90 here.

        • mazty

          Yeah in that comparison the HTC 11 blows apart the competition. It’ll be interesting to see what a side-by-side comparison of the Pixel 2 and HTC 11 on that chart look like.

        • Moisés

          U11 lost against XZ Premium when GSMArena tested. Both were against i7+.
          Here it is 90 x 83.

          Two options:

          1) xzp is better than u11
          2) gsmarena could not use all power of u11 and it is better than xzp.

      • Dylan R

        I have to agree the HTC photo looks better in that shot. The Pixel 2 to me has way too much contrast and saturation. The HTC is a little more naturally contrasted and colored.

        • mazty

          The HTC photo clearly has issues with overexposure.

  • Damien

    I don’t think portrait mode or fake bokeh effects in general are up to scratch. It’s nifty when it works but I wouldn’t use it for real portraits. Here’s your iPhone 8 Plus example. Just terrible.
    https://imgur.com/gallery/wBD0A

    • X X

      iPhone 8 Plus is the best

      • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

        Third best at camera. Bottom of the barrel for flagship Smartphones.

      • Damien

        Whose the troll now?… Go do something productive.

    • Dylan R

      I wouldn’t use either for professional portraits most people wouldn’t. The iPhone with haloing issues that gradually improving but probably won’t ever be absolutely perfect. The Pixel 2 bokeh is just a mess from what I’ve seen. Worse haloing very random bokeh and focus selection within one shot. Better than the first Pixel though. It’s more so the aspect of having something rather similar to professional in the pocket of an average consumer which is mind blowing. Also just for the fun of it, seeing what technology actually is capable of, over actually being a legitimate portrait photography option.

  • Get Help 👁️ 🐏

    You’re an iDiot and you are all over this thread like you’re trying to extinguish your flaming butthurt. Go away kid. You’re pathetic.

  • X X

    Tops or bottoms ?

  • Can’t wait to get the PIXEL XL 2. My delivery date is Oct 16. Would really like to take some raw pictures & edit to see if they can come close to SLR quality. At least close enough would be great. Also, wonder how this camera will perform shooting sports.

    • Jeffrey Heesch

      I also have an XL 2 on the way, but I have no doubts in my mind. My DSLR is always going to be my go-to for when I want to take a good picture. Smartphones make for great point & shoot replacements, but they’re never going to match the quality or versatility of even an entry level crop frame SLR.

    • Dylan R

      We’ll never get DSLR quality unless sensors get bigger. The quality comes with sensor size in my views. Even going from my smartphone to a Sony a5000 the quality difference was mind blowing. You don’t need Full Frame but at least sensors sizes like 4/3, micro4/3, and APS-C. Which without an external attachment looks silly on such small phones. Most phones are still pretty far below 1 inch sensors even.

      Of course you can still get phenomenal shots on a phone. It amazes me phones can take such good images. I’ve been paid for the shots I’ve taken on smartphone several times too. Which shows it’s an art it’s not all about the technology.

      But professionally DSLRs and mirrorless is here to stay over smartphone cameras.

      My favorite statement ever even is “the best camera is the one you have with you”. I don’t always carry my DSLR or A5000 with me though. More often than not I do have my phone with me though and it can take some exceptional pictures and video.

  • Damien

    DXOMark on Note 8 review: “Note 8: The best smartphone for zoom” scores the Note 8 ~66 points in Zoom category, iPhone 8 Plus ~51.
    A day later DXOMark on Pixel 2 review: “Zoom- The Pixel 2 performed very well for a single-camera phone, but couldn’t outscore the current dual-camera champion in this category, the Apple iPhone 8 Plus”
    Just one of the reasons DXOMark can’t be taken seriously.

    • Jesus David Ponce

      Probably because they tasted the iPhone on September and the note on October 3rd….

    • The Note 8 and Pixel 2 reviews came out very close in time, but yes, ideally it should have mentioned the Note 8 at that point.

  • Steve

    Are there figures for dynamic range, video bit rate and depth, and how to compare this to figures for actual cameras, like Red helium?

  • macmanred

    I honestly don’t understand how this score has been calculated.
    Based on the Images I see in this test, many iPhone Images look better to me.
    The model in many of the Pixel Images Looks like a Zombie – muddy skintones, exposure on the background lights, not on the subject.
    But the Pixel stills scores higher in this sub-categories. Why?
    In reality I don’t care that I can see the filaments in light bulbs.
    I care that the subject I want to photograph looks good. With portrait lightning on the iPhone you can get even better Images, which isn’t even mentioned in this test.
    Also the differences in Portrait mode itself are massive.
    The Pixel Images look horrible! The bokeh looks totally fake, and there are many false bokeh artifacts on top of this.
    In summary, the iPhone Images look more natural and pleasant to me (balanced exposure, skintones, colors).

    • Sharky66

      Well then buy an iPhone.

      • macmanred

        That’s not the point.
        I just want to understand how DxO comes to this score.
        The flaws in the Pixel Images are obvious, but it still gets more Points in these sub-categories.

        • Sharky66

          Depends on how and what you are viewing the pics on, how good your monitor is, etc etc … some of them look like the iPhone beats the Pixel and most not, but then I’m on a laptop with an average display so I will acquiesce to the experts on this.

          • macmanred

            Well, the Images where the Pixel looks better are all crops from the same studio test scene.
            On the real world Images, the iPhone Images IMHO look better.
            Don’t get me wrong. The Pixel might have a slight advantage in a technical way.
            But when it comes to the overall impression of the Images, the iPhone Images look “ready to go”, with no need to post process. And I think that’s what most people want from a Smartphone camera.
            Just take the Image with the chain of lights in the background.
            The Pixel might be better in preserving the highlights in the Background, and that’s what DXO took into account here.
            But overall the iPhone Image looks better, more natural.
            And I think in real life, in this scene no one would care about the highlights in the background.

    • Saikat Sarkar

      Lol, that’s why u r not DxO Mark😂😂😂

      • macmanred

        Any arguments?
        Can YOU explain how DxO comes to their results?
        How is the weighting of the sub-categories?
        How is it possible that the Pixel gets more points in certain sub-categories, while obvious flaws in the image are visible for everyone?

    • Philipp Ludwig

      I actually agree with you… but on the Image with the lights in the background you can clearly see how the iphone exposure the lights, you can’t see the lightbulb itself.
      Also, the Pixel ones looks more natural, it actually says the true about your skin/skincolour, which i dislike, iphone gives you more of a yellowish tone + soft face. Also agree with the bad masking on the bokeh image and the effect itself.
      + the first images with the comparison to the HTC U11, the contrast is too much on the pixel.
      I’ve seen other photos from the pixel that show how good the images can be on a good light situation.

      • tnt

        Good points – though I have one question. How do you know the Pixel is more natural? I’ve made this argument a few times, but it seems like people are assuming the Pixel is closer to real life just because it’s not as warm as the iPhone images. That could very well be true. Or it could also be too cool, and reality is actually somewhere in between, or the iPhone could be more true to real life. We can’t really know since we weren’t there.

        • Philipp Ludwig

          Used to work in a agency for 3 years where i retouched many portraits. We used a hasselblad and natural light (4000K).The photos we took looked more like the ones from pixel. We removed all impurities and add a more wamth color to the skin (like the iphone). But, you can easily add this effect afterwards to the photos from pixel. Thats why (or maybe) dxo choosed to give the pixel a better rating because the results look “cleaner”.
          Btw, Google “dslr vs iphone”. You will see photos with the same results. Iphone have more warm colors in its photos.

          • macmanred

            And I am a hobby photographer for >15 years now, using DSLR and mirrorless cameras with good lenses. And I can say that almost none of the images I take come out with such a weird and flat look (skintone) like the ones from the pixel. It may be, that you created this look on purpose, to have the best control for post processing.
            And of course I know that you have full control on everything when you shoot raw.

            But be honest to yourself: this is Smartphone photography. And 99% of the users want to have a pleasant looking Image out of the box. They don‘t want to post process each image…

          • Philipp Ludwig

            Like i said. I just tried to explain why dxo choosed the rating. I prefer the portraits on iphone also.

          • lukigi

            Agree, but its difficult to measure pleasant looking photo as its subjective. Instead they measure the camera capability to reproduce the subject as it is. Looking at the photo with the coloured back-lights for example, although iPhone shot looks definitely more pleasing for me, its not possible the face can have those tones under those lighting conditions (blue and purple lighting) Pixel therefore gives more real results. Then its up to you to decide what you prefer and just go with it. Many things that seem flawed in a “lab” environment are loved in real world.

  • Delafuerte

    First iPhone?! “oh you are clearly paid by apple, cant really understand your new protocol…….”

    First Pixel2?! “oh, what a camera! you are clearly the most authoritative mobile blog all over the world!”

    :-))))))
    LOOOOOL

  • Alex Barankevych

    Do you seriously call this “good job using software to synthesize blur in both the foreground and the background” https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_GooglePixel2.jpg
    it looks like an elementary student experimenting with blur filters in Photoshop.

    • tnt

      I didn’t even notice that they said that. That’s pretty bad.

    • mbze430

      since it is software, hopefully their AI machine learning will improve upon this error as time passes

      • Alex Barankevych

        they might… but my concern was that DXMARK used that picture as an example of “good job” on portrait mode

    • Avishek Khan

      Leonel Messi struggles with his right foot while shooting and header because of his height, not to mention how bad he is at penaly. Do you think he does a bad job at playing?

      The samples here are only to demonstrate how bad Pixel 2’s portrait mode may get *sometimes* compared to iPhone 8’s and how much it improved from its predecessor. Seeing other photos taken by some reviewers in the launch event, I think the portrait mode will work satisfactorily *most* of the time, if not always.

  • yurieu

    Well, for people tastes, it is clear Iphone’s photos are better. Other are just bland in comparison.

    • Eric Law

      Sure, if you enjoy higher noise and lower detail, and a darker image especially in low light (just look at last 5 lux photo) and poorer dynamic range in high light.

      • Dylan R

        Most of the iPhone shots are much sharper and brighter through most testing. the Pixel 2 most are over contrasted, higher noise, and lacking a ton of sharpness.

  • DavidB23

    I want the Pixel 2 to win and be the best. But this review is smurphed! The Portrait mode in that last example is horrible on the pixel. The background becomes more in focus to the left the further away the background. As unnatural as it can be.

    • Austin

      I agree, however it may just be due to pre release software.

      • Dylan R

        And the fact it has only one lens doing the job which most phones do using two lenses. As we know we’ll never have a large enough sensor to get a natural bokeh.

        • Silviu

          2 cameras don’t have a large enough sensor to get a natural bokeh, neither. The bokeh is made using software, the only thing that’s different is that it uses photos from 2 different cameras.

  • John Johns

    Did you try both Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL? They are supposedly to have the same camera, but since one is HTC and the other one LG, would be very interesting if in fact both Pixel 2 camera’s perform the same !

    • Silviu

      The camera hardware is the same, doesn’t matter that the manufactures of the phone are different. Is like having 2 laptops with the same CPU made by Intel, even if thelaptops are made by 2 different companies, the cpu is the same and the cpu performance is the same.

  • Mike Niel

    Hmmmmmmm, where’s LgV30 in this dxomark??

    • flodxomark

      Hello Mike. Thank you for the suggestion. We’ll review it as we can, please stay tuned, as we’re not communicating about the road map in advance.

      • Moisés

        Do you guys use only auto or manual mode too?

    • DEEPAK

      LG V30 is the best I think…

  • antidxomark

    these photos were token in Aug., and new mobile DXOMARK was introduced on Sep. 11, and Pixel2 was announced on Oct. 11.
    very unbiased review!

    • flodxomark

      Hello. Like other media outlets we do sometimes get access to an early test sample before the device is commercially available. On those occasions we are in a position to do test before the mobile launch and to publish a review and scoring right at launch. Regards

    • Blane237

      How was the Pixel 2 announced on October 11th, when today is October 9th?

  • Boris Romac

    LG v30 pls, so we can se how You will test that wide lens …. tnx

    • john doe

      They won’t test the wide angle. The only parameters are zoom and bokeh.

      Bokeh will score high but zoom can’t compete with 2x phones

  • Avishek Khan

    Those who are failing to understand the rating process, the criteria on which the ratings are given, please read the article once again. They clearly explained everything somewhat elaborately.

    It’s okay to be ignorant, but it’s definitely not cool when you ignorantly say they’re biased or simply, “well, the iPhone’sh photosh looksh good to me.” It may look good to your untrained eyes, but not to those who understand dynamic range, white balance, color rendering, noise suppression, detail preservation etc in a wide spectrum of subject luminance. This is not a post to give you a lesson on these things. Please do it on your own from somewhere else, there’s a lot of good learning content out there.

    The only two things the Pixel 2 is bad at compared to iPhone 8 are retaining details in zoom and creating bokeh effect in portrait mode which DxoMark has clearly stated in the post. Since Pixel 2 doesn’t have an extra lens with longer focal length, it is expected to have a bad image quality if you zoom in. The same goes for the bokeh effect – with just a dual-pixel sensor, seems like it’s hard to create the effect using the software alone. But hey, even iPhone 8 fails to create the effect perfectly with a dual camera setup – doesn’t that mean their algorithm is inferior to that of Google’s? Not to mention, the sample images are processed with a pre-released version of the software and to demonstrate how bad it can get compared to iPhone’s but how much it improved from the previous year’s Pixel. I don’t think it comes out that bad all the time. But zoom and bokeh are not the only things that matter in terms of the quality of an image and that’s where all the other factors come into play. Apart from these two, Pixel 2 excels in all the departments that matter most and most of the photos you’ll be taking will depend upon those factors. Peace out.

    • DrTrustMe

      It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the ratings. it has everything to do with the rating system.
      DXOMark praises kitsch colours… then ignores awful and inconsistent skin tones, which are pallid indoors and red outside.
      DXOMark praises the details of a background light fixture… and ignores appalling lens distortion.
      DXOMark praises low light performance… achieved at the expense of over-processing and flattening.
      DXOMark totally ignores wide angle lens distortion and its deleterious effect on composition and faces. There is a reason why 70 to 100mm fixed focal length lenses are known as portrait lenses.
      DXOMark tests low depth of field mode (misnamed as bokeh mode) and doesn’t bother to check for foreground blurring. (Something the iPhone 7 Plus could not do… though I have no checked if iOS 11 has enabled it).

      DXOMark knows all this stuff and is choosing to ignore it so that it can bait for clicks with an incompetent populist viewpoint on an enthusiast site.

      • Avishek Khan

        Calibrate your DSLR with a white balance card and then check again how the skin tone comes out.

        Since there’s no grid on the background of the sample images to see how much the distortion is, it’s not obvious if one has less lens distortion than the other. In my eyes, both look pretty much the same. So, better talk about the things that aren’t.

        Look at the iPhone’s photo taken at 5 Lux, cropped 100% (compared with the Note 8) and tell me what the color of her top’s strap is.

        I agree with you about the lens distortion with a single wide angle camera setup. Having an extra telephoto lens would have been great for portraiture.

        In my opinion, this post alone hasn’t covered all the metrics used for the ratings, or have I missed something? Only the things that matter most are discussed here. What do you think they take 1500 test images for? Have a look at their protocol here and guess what, they take distortion into account – https://www.dxomark.com/dxomark-mobile-testing-protocol-scores/

      • Avishek Khan

        Calibrate your DSLR with a white balance card and then check again how the skin tone comes out.

        Since there’s no grid on the background of the sample images to see how much the distortion is, it’s not obvious if one has less lens distortion than the other. In my eyes, both look pretty much the same. So, better talk about the things that aren’t.

        Look at the iPhone’s photo taken at 5 Lux, cropped 100% (compared with the Note 8) and tell me what the color of her top’s strap is.

        I agree with you about the lens distortion with a single wide angle camera setup. Having an extra telephoto lens would have been great for portraiture.

        In my opinion, this post alone hasn’t covered all the metrics used for the ratings, or have I missed something? Only the things that matter most are discussed here. What do you think they take 1500 test images for? Have a look at their protocol here and guess what, they take distortion into account – https://www.dxomark.com/dxomark-mobile-testing-protocol-scores/

  • Dhruv Halwasiya

    Hiya,
    I was wondering,
    will the ‘noise’ and overall score of the pixel and pixel 2 get better as the AI improves it’s noise suppression algorithms?
    will google keep updating the camera software for all pixels over time?

    • Avishek Khan

      You can reduce noise using apps if you really need to, it’s not a big deal. I think it’s good enough as it is. Reducing noise will decrease the sharpness as well as details like you see in the iPhone 8. No one will notice the noise anyway if you upload it in Facebook, Instagram or any other social media platform since they degrade the image quality even further. Better leave it optional for the pixel peepers.

      • Neil

        Noise reduced with apps will have loss in quality since it is working on post-processed and compressed jpeg file while Pixel AI reduces noise in-camera when the file is still in RAW format so there is no loss in quality. And yes, on social media after being compressed almost all top 5 camera smartphones will look kinda same.

        • Avishek Khan

          Well said. But the noise is acceptable to me at this point. If Google can reduce noise without compromising the overall quality, that would be even better. Moreover, they should have provided functionality for saving RAW photos within the stock camera app. Anyway, photos uploaded on the social media are mainly affected in terms of loss of fine detail and hence the appearance of reduced noise. But the color rendering, dynamic range etc remain distinguishable from phone to phone.

  • Crunchy2k

    I don’t see where these phones came from. I would feel better if they were bought through normal consumer channels. And no reference camera is used. The cameras on my LG V20 work just fine. But, all the reviewers were complaining they were given factory seconds to test. Even the default settings on my V20 were different from one of the reviewers. LMAO…

  • DrTrustMe

    DXOMark can’t be taken seriously when it doesn’t even bother to mention effective focal length and lens distortion. Here we see a woman with a flattened face, big nose and the background thrown way back because Google has used a super-wideangle lens to increase the size of the sensor while doing away with the lens bump in a very narrow phone. The compromise is glaringly obvious. The lens must be effectively 24mm.

    Yet, DXOMark looks past the rather alien looking distortions of the subject and says: but look at the background light fixtures!

    (Added to that we see flattened, over processed results time and again, and inconsistent colours: paid skin tones and day-glow kitsch at other times).

    DXOMark seems to be going for click baiting.

    • You’re entitled to your own opinion on the quality of the images, of course, but I think your premise is flawed. If the Pixel 2 had a much-wider angle lens than the iPhone 8 Plus, in order to have the model appear larger, the image would have had to have been shot much closer and the way the lights on the wire behind her head appeared would have been very different (with the lights nearest her head disappearing entirely). They don’t. AFAIK, Google has not officially stated the focal length of the lens on the Pixel 2, but there isn’t any data to support it being meaningfully wider than the one on the iPhone 8 Plus.

      • The iPhone 8 plus has a dual lens set up. The zoom lens is clearly a different focal length than any single lens phone.

        • Good point, however the specific image he is referring to was shot with the main camera & lens.

          • DrTrustMe

            It’s not a matter of conjecture. Just look up the effective focal length of each lens. The distortion is governed by physics.

            In each Google pixel photo you will see that the subject appears either closer or further away than in the iPhone pictures. If the subject is a close one, as in the disco lighting shot, it appears larger and more distorted. If it is further away, as in the park bench shot, it appears further way. I appreciate that it doesn’t help that DXOMark mainly publishes crops and doesn’t bother to explain this issue and show its effect on perspective and composition. A glaring omission.

            Here’s a simple way to identify the difference: just look at the camera itself. The Google Pixel has no camera bump. The iPhone does. How is that possible? Light travels in straight lines for Google, too. A wider angel lens has been used.

            Google seems shy of admitting to the fact but it you search around you find sites suggesting that the iPhone is effectively 28mm and 56mm, while the Pixel is 24mm.

          • The Z-height (depth) of the camera module is affected by more than the focal length of the lens. There is an entire stack of components that go into it, and of course sensor size affects it as well, since it changes the effective focal length for a given actual focal length. So existence or lack of a bump is no guarantee of different focal lengths. But yes, it’d be nice if Google published theirs.

  • alireza_asol

    look at fov difference in last pic ( girl on bench ) and first bokeh sample
    and my question is how pixel has much more detail than pixel 2 with same res and wider fov? maybe because of larger sensor!

  • mrTravolta

    Any idea of when the LG V30 will be reviewed? Don’t want to order it before seeing it head to head with the Pixel XL 2.

    • Alexey Gurzhiy

      As usually it would not get a high score here, but would be a much better camera than any that got paid for being better

      • john doe

        Nobody got paid for being better. If you think there is a conspiracy ask why certain phones never appeared here. because the companies never sent them in. why ? because they didn’t think it would help with sales.

        lumia 950, one plus 3, iphone 7 plus (old protocol)…and a ton of midrange and low end

        getting the idea now

        • Alexey Gurzhiy

          Look at the results!!! Why did pixel 2 got best place? it is far from being best! Where iPhone clearly won – it is stated that pixel won, why?????

  • maratt

    LG V30 please!

  • Woof!

    Woof!

  • Roshan Thakwani

    guys just wait for google pixel 3 xl. it will have a telephoto lens and much better image. I suggest to buy a cheap phone right now cuz there is a lot of competition and all of the tech giants have their own flaws. By next year, the decision will be much easier.

  • John Harvey

    Im not sure how the pixel comes in with such a high video score compared to the HTC U11 that uses the same sensor. I havent tested the pixel so maybe there is some improved software but still seems like a huge bump in scores. I hope its true since I have a pixel 2 coming in the mail soon.

    • flipsticks

      I’m understanding it to be entirely software. If you look at nearly any phone with a Snapdragon 82X-83X that sideloads the Google Camera APK, there is always noticeably improved camera performance, indicating that it’s entirely Google’s awesome software optimisation that creates these awesome images.

      • John Harvey

        One of the issues I have with all this fancy software jazz is that its inherently tied to the google app. The strides google has made with software is amazing but your inherently tied to that app and in a sense gimped by the auto settings that google gives you. If you really want to flex the pixels muscles and shoot RAW or switch to a manual video camera app then your just kinda screwed right? Im worried about their decision to go with a smaller IMX 362 sensor which is down from the IMX 378 sensor size. Maybe googles software does a good job but if I try to use lightroom + RAW will the scores be the same? What about filmic pro for video? Luckily the U11 with the 362 takes some amazing shots without all the fancy software which proves the sensor is good but I dont like google relying too much on software without giving us more manual controls. Id be fine if they gave us manual modes like in the galaxy and V30 phones and the ability to shoot 4k at 100mbps rates with manual controls and a flat profile.

        • That’s an under-reported point. Even shooting RAW there is no way to directly duplicate what smartphone makers can do in their firmware, because you can’t get access to that many frames in that short a time period that they can be fused. You can do a version of that if the subject is stable, via bracketing, or multi-exposure, but there are few multi-frame RAW solutions. Two that I know of are the SRAW on the DxO ONE and the partially-processed RAW on RED cameras that uses multi-frame processing. It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out, as ideally you want the best of both — the power of RAW plus the power of multiple frames and fancy multi-frame processing.

        • Xdadevet

          There is a modified Google Camera App in which you can fine tune the processing, where you can select from a multitude of processing algorithms and choose the amount of images HDR+ combines (up to 60). It also has the option to save both RAW + JPG. Although the sensor is smaller, it now features OIS for significantly better exposures and combined with EIS delivers amazingly stabilized footage. It also features Dual Pixel + Laser + Contrast focus, and has a colour sensor for colour correction. I’m not surprised it got 98, even if the sensor is a bit smaller (1.55 -> 1.4um), because the faster lens (f1.8 vs f2.0) should compensate for that.

          • That sounds pretty cool. Do you have a link to the modified camera app, and do you know if it works with any phones other than Google’s own?

          • Xdadevet

            It works with any phone that has a SD820/821/835 and camera api2 support (somtimes camera api2 is supported and not enabled through HAL3 so you have to do that manually). There are also reports of it working one some lower Snapdragon models, such as the SD625/650 but I haven’t tested it an it’s not officially supported.

            I can’t find the link but it’s on my dropbox. It also contains some mods to add extra features like HEVC 60fps video recording support and enable camera HAL3 on phones that support it for manual controls and HDR+ support. You need to root with Magisk if your phone doesn’t support camera api2 out of the box, also included on my Dropbox.

            There is also some camera samples from my Xiaomi Mi5 with Google camera.

            Here’s the link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1jpbbxejjqum3zj/AACXmVvYqEAMMq8mjPJouYgQa?dl=0

          • Thx! After reading your initial mail I looked around and also found this: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-hdr-ported/. Not sure if it is the same project or different, but seems to be a backport of the Pixel XL camera app to more generic devices. I’ll definitely give them a try. The AutoHDR feature would be very cool if it works as well as it does on the newer Google phones.

          • Xdadevet

            Yes it’s the same one! They’re just a bit behind on the release schedule.

            Version 4.0 of the modded version has been out for a while, and just today the first port from the Pixel 2 XL has arrived under version 5.0 (although it lacks customisation). Again, xda doesn’t host a specific app, but I have it on my Dropbox if you need it or you can just search for it on androidfilehost.

            Read up on Xda to get it working on your phone. There are likely already a thread on how to get it working on your specific phone if you search for it 🙂 I can attest for its greatness.

          • The 5.1 version didn’t work right on my OnePlus 5 (HDR+ created blank frames), but the 4.4 version did, which is pretty cool. The HDR+ isn’t super-fast, so I guess it can only do so much without the lower level tweaking Google has done on the Pixels.

          • Xdadevet

            Well maybe you just need the right settings. It takes a while to process but taking a photo is instant if you have ZSL enabled.

            How’s your initial impression of the app?

            -PixelXL(corr)
            -NEXUS_2015
            -LIMITED
            -LEGACY
            -High
            -Pixel 2017 (DR Dogfood)
            -15 (Optimal)
            -14 (AllPixel+AllExp)
            -7 (N6P+AllPixel+AllExp)
            -AllExpConfig

          • Found the (85 page) thread for the OP 5. Looks like the latest versions have an issue doing Auto HDR & HDR+ with no lag, but seems to be active work to resolve. In the meantime, other than not being able to set it to Auto & having to wait, the results are very impressive. Haven’t played with the other bits yet. Thanks again for the pointer.

          • Xdadevet

            I recommend using the older version in the meantime, you don’t want to miss the moment and the results are still great (I haven’t noticed a difference in quality with my initial testing).

            No problem, just glad another person could make better use of their camera. After all, it’s the modifications that make Android great. Wake up the next day with a totally different and better experience 😉

    • Acapella Covers

      there is something called software image processing… many cameras have the same lens but that doesnt mean they should or will perform the same

  • Daniel Grigoras

    I can’t believe the dishonesty of this review. Looking at the pictures under “Bokeh, including Depth Effect and Portrait Mode (45)” it is obvious that the artificial software effects ruined the pictures with partial or misplaced bokeh/blur effects. The Google Pixel 2 camera is one of the worst cameras because of the software processing.

    • jimmysmalia

      You dont believe it because you are arguing…for the sake of it.

      • Dylan R

        You can clearly see the poor quality of the Depth effect shots though. On the outdoor one the trees far away are in focus then up close they aren’t. It’s struggling to figure out what to focus on.

        • latz

          That’s why it got a lower score on that point …..what do you want? One aspect of the camera to disqualify it completely regardless of the rest ….

          • bootster

            That’s what happened with the Canon 6D Mk II. It was deemed garbage because of a DR issue that was marginal, and the reviewers really trashed that otherwise excellent camera for one issue. That’s what people do anymore. They are out for blood when it comes to reviews to gin up sales, even if the comments of the phone/camera are over-hyped.

    • I figured that too.

    • latz

      Hey, genius, it got 45 on that point, and that’s bad — so you’re whining cause it got the exact score you found yourself? Or are you saying that that immediately banishes it from any other tests? Ridiculous….

      • Daniel Grigoras

        Take also a look at the photos under “Exposure and Contrast (95)”, where the Pixel 2 is very noisy compared to the iPhone 8 Plus. Because of these issues, especially the random hit and miss bokeh effects I really think that this camera got an overestimated rating.

    • Acapella Covers

      well that’s bullshit because even though the iphone 8plus and note 8 has two cameras they also do an artificial effect in software.

      • Decals42

        The complaint wasn’t that the effect was artificial, but that the effect was really poorly done, and worse than not having it at all. Which is true.

  • Err why have they reduced it from 100 to 98 without an explanation, this is looking more and more of a con

  • Mihir Soneji

    @Dxomark, Hey people, why there’s no camera review of Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+, LG G6, LG V30, One+5, Huawei P10,Mate 9 and such other nice phones?

    • Ruben Campos

      :/ Google it… I’ve just seen 3 of the phones that you have written there…

      • Mihir Soneji

        Google it? For what? Do you see the Camera review on this site for those phones? I need review from DxoMark and it’s not on the website. So if it’s not on website of DxoMark, How can you find their review on google?

    • Acapella Covers

      they didnt collect money to review them or work with them pre-release, doesnt really mean anything about objectivity but i think its how they make money. The get paid to review the phone camera and companies don’t reach out to them they pretty don’t review it.

  • Rosebay

    https://youtu.be/PgeJ0XYuI2E
    Video by Marques Brownlee (“The truth about DxOMark smartphone ratings”)

    • That’s an impressive video. I like that he encourages people to dive in past the overall number and look at the sub-scores to see which ones are most relevant to them.

      • john doe

        I’ve been saying that for years but nobody wants to take the effort. And they still won’t

        What Dxo needs to do is allow different phones to be compared, that was never possible and still is not

        Now they are changing the scoring system which means direct comparisons are no longer possible between old and new

  • darwiniandude

    DXOMark
    I want to like you. But when I compared the 4x shots of the model on the bridge, I saw crazy dottyness on the iPhone image, I have NEVER seen on an iPhone. The image was much sharper than the Pixel 2, the Face was a brighter exposure but the sky was darker and had more detail. But I downloaded them for a closer look. I looked at the EXIF data for the Pixel.

    There is no exif data for the iPhone file! And the iPhone file is 800KB? What are you trying to pull here, DXO? Most of the shots here have no EXIF metadata for the iPhone files and are tiny file sizes, NOT originals.

    • The iPhone images used for illustration in the review were converted from DCI-P3 colorspace (the phone’s default) to sRGB in Photoshop, so that they would render appropriately on a wide variety of devices (as is explained in the note in the review). That is simply for viewing convenience, and not something that affects the testing or scoring process.

  • arun s

    please test Asus Zenfone 4 Pro and lg v3o

  • arun s

    please check the camera clarity of the phone asus zenfone 4 pro because thats the affortable phone in camera centric level

  • Suro M

    How on earth can you forget the LG V30!? One of the best if not the best smartphone camera of 2017!

    • Oakie Arithmophobia

      LG Score always came out suck.

  • I am the Egg Man

    This is really embarrassing for Apple and Samsung.

  • kaplanmb

    Can someone explain to me how the photo score ended up with a 99 when the average of all the sub scores is 71.11?

    • Calin Popescu

      Some scores are worth more than others

      • Carbon Copy

        Even with some subscores having more weight than others, it couldn’t possibly exceed 98 overall for Photo, since Autofocus is the highest at 98. I’m pretty sure they modified their formula (/tinfoilhat) to put current cameras closer to 100 so they’d make headlines more often (because the average person sees the score as out of 100, even if their methodology allows the score to exceed it).

        If the first 2 scores have significantly more weight than the other 7 (which makes sense since they are the two most sought after), such that they make up 80% of the score evenly, with the remaining having equal weight, then the actual Photo score should be 86 (as opposed to an evenly weighted 71 average).

        Considering literally every subscore is lower than the total score, it’s somewhat misleading. But even then, the actual number itself is meaningless without some kind of reference to compare it to. With their scale, “100” could be terrible in relation to “200”. There’s a reason why it appears to be out of 100 because it seems like an objective/absolute value, despite being totally relative.

        • john doe

          Maybe they should explain how they arrive at their photo or video scores.

          The overall is just the average of the two rounded up

        • kaplanmb

          Thank you. You touched on what my follow up question was going to be. I just don’t get how they can get to 99 when none of the sub scored were that high. It’s like they actually did the tests and got real results and then closed their eyes and threw a dart at a dart board to see what the number should be. Based on the pics in this test it seems like the iPhone 8 plus has an overall better camera.

  • Hamza Hafidi

    Marques Brownlee ‘s vidéo brought me here

    • It is a very-impressive video. First one of his that I’ve watched, but I’m sure not the last!

    • Shubham Upadhyay

      Same here

    • Kaushal Shah

      lol same here!

  • Greg Carpenter

    Calm down keyboard gangster! What was said in the message from DXO is that these are NOT the images that they used in their testing, but actually converted files so that they were displayable in the browser. Meaning, instead of just telling you about the pictures of the model on the bench, they converted them to show the scenarios they used. Uncompressed formats, in most cases, are very problematic when being viewed in web browsers. These are essentially just snapshots of the actual files used. They’re just a visual. Not to mention, uncompressed files are SIGNIFICANTLY larger, which also affects web page performance.

    • john doe

      Fine but why strip out the exf info

      • That wasn’t intentional. Was a side effect of the conversion. Certainly something we can look at going forward.

        • john doe

          I think it is caused by the content management system. web manager for this website should take a look at

          • flodxomark

            Dear John, thank your for your comment. This website is recent and our team will work on it constantly to improve it. Regards

  • To echo what Greg replied, please actually read before mouthing off. The converted images are for illustration purposes only. They are not involved in the testing or scoring. If the images were not converted for the web page, then non-color-managed browsers would render the larger gamut images as having less color.

  • What is the maximum score of DxoMark? I don’t like the Bohek effect in Pixel 2, but the iPhone 8 Plus performance great in this case.

    • Avinash Ranjan

      108…Red Helium…!!

      • Avinash — Numerically, so far, yes — but with a couple caveats: The Mobile, Lens, and Camera (Sensor) scores are all differently scaled, so they don’t compare directly. Also, the Helium 8K does temporal noise reduction using multiple frames before writing out its “RAW” files, so the review is footnoted as being not exactly comparable to the other sensor reviews which use single-frame RAW images. It is absolutely an amazing camera, though, but complex to operate.

        • Avinash Ranjan

          Yeah! Tht’s True..!! But That Camera is A Beast..Once You Are Into Using It..!

  • Steve

    Thanks for your hard work. Hope to see the test on LG V30.

  • Charles

    I am wondering about the value of the 12 MP resolution.

    I have been using a Samsung Galaxy Note 4, which has a 16 MP camera. I like to display my photos on a large 60″ HDTV, so I need lots of pixels. My phone camera does a great job, nice and sharp when spread out on the huge screen. I am afraid that in moving to a Google Pixel 2, with only 12 MP, it would be a step backward. I DON’T THINK THAT ANY AMOUNT OF ALGORITHMIC TRICKERY IN A SMARTPHONE’S CAMERA SOFTWARE CAN MAKE UP FOR FEWER PIXELS IN THE SENSOR. Your view please?

    • The good news is that your TV has less than 12 million pixels, so having a source image that resolution isn’t by itself a problem. Sensor size controls the total amount of light that can be captured in a given time interval (more or less, subject to various technical specifics of the sensor design). That said, if you make a habit of zooming in by cropping, then pure resolution can matter. As an experiment, why don’t you click through to one of the full resolution sample images from the Pixel 2 in the review, download it, and display it on your TV and see what you think?

      • Charles

        FANTASTIC IDEA THANK YOU DAVID!!!!!!!! And great advice!!!!!!!!!

  • Al Khttab Al Saqri

    Please review the LG V30 camera!

    • flodxomark

      Hello. We will test this mobile as we can but we cannot give you a date as we do not communicate about the roadmap. Thank you for your patience. Regards

      • Dave Anthony Salalima

        LG V30 will be schedule next year because it will destroy the Note 8, Pixel 2 and Mate 10. Right?.. It will destroy their marketing strategy.

        Even LG V30 is better than Pixel 2 because it has manual mode, they will reduce the score to fool people making it
        Pixel 2 > LG V30..

        Hahaha.. Nice 1!

  • Thiago Barbosa

    Onde está o ranking completo?

    • Rubem

      de tanto a apple apanhar, mudaram a forma de avaliação. pelo visto, continua apanhando, so que um pouco menos

  • Dave Anthony Salalima

    No review for the V30 because it will affect the Pixel 2, iPhone 8 and Note 8 sales, right dxomark?.. 🙂

  • John Harvey

    I honestly don’t know what you guys are thinking when you gave a good score on noise reduction in video. I have had my pixel for a few days and every freaking video is incredibly noisy. Even in daylight the shadows or grass is noisy.

  • Hann

    I already watched camera comparison on lg v30 on youtube which is very very impressive among it rival competition. V30 will be the highest score if you review it or maybe a tie to pixel 2 camera.

  • taimor bahrami

    why test xperia xz1????

  • Joimer Jesus Ruiz Perez

    please, review of LG V30, please, it is very good.

  • Brian Sturgill

    Not being able to do 4K 60fps should drop the video far beyond the score it got vs the 8 Plus.

    • tesat87

      Iphones can 4K60 but overheat very quickly, automatically turn down luminosity ( you pretty much can’t see what you film ) and eventually shuts down
      even the 2,000$ sony camera that was released a week ago doesn’t do 4k60

      • Lauc

        Sony doesn’t do 4k60 and this is why it’s an incredible camera for photos, but not the best for videos…
        Other cameras, also around 1000 $, are more focused on videos, of course with 60 fps.

    • PublicStaticVoidMain

      you probably do not understand why most manufacturers refuse to put that in the phone. it dramatically decreases the quality, and increases the storage requirements. higher fps means faster shutter. faster shutter means darker photos, or higher noise.

      • Brian Sturgill

        Still doesn’t do it. Lol.

        • PublicStaticVoidMain

          the reason why google probably left it out was so they keep their reputation of having a good camera. have you seen the latest video comparison of iphone x and pixel 2? iphone’s 1080p is garbage compared to pixel’s 720p. this means that higher res, or higher FPS does not necessarily equate to better. you just waste space on something that is better only in numbers. it’s the megapixel war all over again.

          • Lauc

            I completely agree with Brian Sturgill, it’s totally different from megapixel war… And for a videomaker 60 fps often work better than 30

          • PublicStaticVoidMain

            If you are a videographer, then why are you shooting high fps/res videos with a phone? Get a real equipment if your requirement is high. Ever wondered why people spend money on RED? Google does 120 FPS, but at 1080p. Let me do an analogy that might make more sense to you: You have a capable gaming rig. Would you choose: 1080p @ 60fps ultra, or 2160p @ 60 fps low? The reason here is that Google refused to put the 2160p low because it might tarnish their reputation. I prefer good video over a faster potato video. A small camera sensor can only do so much, like how your “capable” gaming rig cannot do 2160p 60fps ultra.

  • Karthik Dhanapal

    Recently came Huawei mobile is reviewd . But lg v 30 is still not reviewed. Seems you are baised in LG products

    • haruspex

      That’s not what that means at all… they’ll get to it when they get to it.

      • tonethebone925

        LG V30 has been out for a month no excuses. iPhone X has been out for what a week?

  • Pooja Hallen

    NOKIA 8 REVIEW PLEASE!!!

    • flodxomark

      Hello Pooja, we’ll review this mobile as soon as we can. Thanks for your patience.

  • Amazes me how seriously people take all this. If you want to spend a grand, and you like Apple stuff, buy the X. If you like Android, or don’t want to spend a grand, buy the Pixel2. If you prefer LG, do that… They’re all good. Chance are, if you’re an Apple person, you’ll not like the Pixel, and vice-versa. Regardless of camera. Some of the comments here read like people need a definitive ‘best’, with no doubt or exclusions…I like DXO — they say themselves, they are a ‘reference’, not an answer…

    • Shamseer Ahammed

      There are folks out there who consider all these before buying bro 😀

    • haruspex

      This is about comparing the cameras, not the phones, the ecosystems, or the companies.

      • I get that. There’s no question the pixel has the better camera. My comment wasn’t about that though.

  • Compared my Google Pixel XL 2 with iPhone X this past weekend & they’re both great phones! Overall, I love the Pixel though! 🙂

  • Milton Chui

    Just out of curioisity, are you guys going to re-test this after Google enables Pixel Visual Core?

  • Udith Induwara Batangala

    Please test Nokia 8 Smartphone !!!! 😀😀

    • Why? It has a good but surely not great OEM camera setup. You can already find reviews and comparisons where the old Lumia 950 still and clearly beats the Nokia 8. Don’t get me wrong, the Nokia 8 is a good phone which offers very good value for the money, but it’s surely not in the top group in terms of overall camera quality. If you like the Nokia 8, don’t wait for the camera review and get one.

  • Lauc

    Really bad Bokeh effect in these pictures… It’s under the value of 45, it looks like a cheap app effect!

  • Aleksandr O

    I was very impressed first second I saw dark/birght images comparison with htc, but then.. its super obvious how its done, its not sensor its simply raw processing that phone does, pull highlights slider and shadows slider in capture one and add strong sharpening. You can see its obviously ruined image and it look ugly if you look closer.